For the the record. A limited number of people are taking Pat’s request to align with the Hybrid model seriously and are coming into an office. The ELT should now make this a mandate, Intels future is on the lines. I don’t understand why this is difficult to understand by a vast amount of employees.
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PG should just make RTO a general job requirement. I'm sure it could be implemented in some sort of hybrid fashion like many other companies are now doing. For those employees not willing to engage, kiss their jobs good-bye.
@1vsr - you should have seen the old HWW initiative at JF-1 back in 2007-2008 or so. Same deal - waist-high cubes, nowhere to concentrate, you could see everybody's screens, and nobody could hear jack because nothing blocked the sound.
It wound up being a ghost town as everyone scattered to the conf. rooms, quiet rooms and labs. Kinda hard to work on proprietary stuff when every guest and his brother could go cruising through the area. Oh, and the soda fountain they put in there as some kind of lure? It wound up being something for all the green badges to go skim off some free soda from (and of course for anyone nearby who was too lazy to go to the cafeteria).
I laughed at it for a long time, even after I left, right up until it became the sweet hot trend to do that "open floor plan" everywhere else in tech.
I'll stay remote, thanks.
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Oh poor me i have to drive MOVE CLOSER its your choice
RTO makes sense for some workers, but not for most engineers given how intel has distributed design globally. Everyone I work with is in a different time zone. I also have to work different hours each day, depending on meetings.
So, if Intel wants everyone to work in an office, they will have to put everyone in the same building in the same time zone.
BTW, Intel's choice to spread development globally is one of the reasons we are so inefficient, but the ELT is not too good with high school math.
Maybe admins can stop passive aggressively kicking people out who have been coming in every day into hybrid spaces to make room for their own groups with no transparency or oversight.
Till then I'll work from wherever the work gets done and so should you.
Drive into the office? Ok, I’ll make a deal, I will drive to the office every day, Monday through Friday, 8-5.
In exchange, I will no longer attend meetings before 8AM or after 5PM.
Sign me the fu-k up. Otherwise, to he-l with your mandate to come into the office so I can add another hour of wasted time and never have free time again.
@1qfs
The big issue is Pat "suggested" RTO with guidelines, but also left it up to biz group management on how to implement and at what rate. Anyone who thinks any ELT member would not adopt these guidelines is smoking and not sharing. Not to mention all mid and lower level management.
So, without adopting a specific policy, a new policy is born based on a snippet of a meeting.
All Hail Pat the Saviour.
Folks, unfortunately corporate world is not a democracy. ELT comes up with something and we have to comply. I have nothing against voicing our opinions and venting on different issues. The issue here is that RTO was passingly mentioned by the CEO but a complete and uniform implementation is yet to be seen.
Way back in the dark ages of 1999 when I graduated and started my career I first went to work at a bank in the Phoenix area, it still had its call center in Phoenix. The call-center employees all sat on one massive floor in a tiny cubicles that were about waist high so that the manager could see what they were doing at all times When I came to Intel yes, we had terrible gray cubes but they were not call-center cubes. Fast forward, today I really don’t see the difference between that bank call center and Intel’s office space. For what purpose we cram people together and expose them like call-center employees makes no sense to me when the vast majority of them are supposed to be trying to think for a living.
OP states their RTO opinion as if it were fact. Let’s see the data that being in the office is a net positive. I haven’t seen it.
We went from people in offices to chickens in a coop because skilless bean counters wanted to contribute. It is very hard to think at Intel. Maybe they just want us to do mindless repetitive work.
Someone coming to speak with you is confrontational? snowflake Jesus christ this is one the problems with Intel, the size of the va---a on this one.
My problem is that Intel offices over the years have turned to cr-p. Started off with a 9X9 with storage, conference chair... Now I am told I am lucky a 4X6 with just a monitor and screen. I dislike the feeling of being blocked in my office by people who like to confrontationally confront me in my doorway. In the open office areas I walk down the aisle and see the eyes of 50 people notice as I walk down aisle, very one of them has just had there concentration interrupted by motion in peripheral vision. HR is really just concerned about warehousing people and not providing a productive working environment. I consider all the open office plans fails if your are serious about getting engineering work done.
Part of the issue is that Pat has cut everyone's pay by 20%+ (including 401k, base pay and bonuses) and he is not giving promos. So everyone is doing bare min to survive and also dont want to drive and waste time and increase their own costs. And no promos and no raises mean there is no reason for influential people in those 20% to drive Pat's message.
I think its time that Pat should trust employees and bring promos and meritocracy back. You want the company to be buzzing with energy, sweating on weekends and trying very hard, but in a capitalistic market you are not going to be able to drive self-sacrifice without financial motivation.
Mandate RTO and risk loosing more talent. This is not a winnable situation and Pat/ELT need to recognize this.
Crack down on those screwing around during WFH - absolutely.
Put out a wide-swath policy - absurd. Deal with those who are abusing the flexibility.
For mo--ns quoting rto as a panacea, : intel used to have an office only model until early 2020.
Where were they then ? Lagging behind tsmc and still stuck churning out 14 nm skylake cr-p.
Fast forward to 2023 : 10 nms fully ramped, 7 nm products coming out in the fall. Still behind tsmc to be sure, but 2 nodes in 3 years isn't too bad considering the track record before 2020 was just 14 nms for like 8 years.
Much bigger problems to tackle at an organizational level, rto is just a distraction at this point
I don’t disagree that ELT needs to be far more decisive. Yet, I would caution your thinking that RTO will result in some magical accelerant of profitability.
Count me ‘in’ on weeding out those who are abusing WFH. I think I get far more done while WFH personally, but doubt that is a blanket summary for all.