In 99% of cases it’s just an excuse to get you fired. You can try and be the best employee, it will not change the outcome. I was stupid and tried.
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The results are 100% predetermined so that's why so many choose PIL. Alway the termination meeting is a speech from your manager that we saw improvement but not significant......
I agree. I think it’s possible to pass a PIP but it’s not in your hands. The outcome is pre-determined.
There are some that end up in NSI because it’s a forced distribution and everyone is great, and they make the PIP really easy to pass because mgmt wants them to stay or would otherwise be sc--wed if they left.
There are some that have been pain in the a$$ employees or they need to downsize a department, and they make the PIP impossible to pass to force the person out.
The outcome is absolutely pre-determined. I can’t imagine a conversation with a manager like - “well, who knows if they’ll pass the PIP? Who knows what our headcount will be in January? Beats me! Let’s wait and see and leave the next 3 months up to chance!”
The outcome of the PIP is determined before it is started.
@1sff It’s worked well so far, and unlike most of you, I’m not planning to work until I die or have aged into paint on the walls of the building.
The rules of career progression from the 1980s that you people keep doubling - down on simply don’t apply anymore, and they haven’t for a long time. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you’ll stop being miserable.
Good luck to you.
@1rkq sure, that will work, until it doesn’t. You’re probably young enough to do that now, but you will. get. old. And job hopping won’t bring that 10-20% bump when you’re old, overpaid, and whatever company you land at decides to downsize. You’ll figure that out at some point, if you’re smart.
@1ypp Yeah, nobody stays with the same company for more than 2-5 years now, at least not if they’re smart.
Why stay with the same company and get a 1-3% raise each year (if I’m lucky) when I can change jobs and get a 10-20% bump every time? Beat them at their own game.
As for all you lifers who want to sound-off about loyalty, meaning, etc…how did that work out for you?
Correct, that becomes your paid new job hunting period.
True examples.
40 year employee piped at 60 retired. 35 year piped at 59 retired. 40 year piped at 64 retired. These were the lucky ones that could retire.
43 year old piped with only 3 years pip fired. 35 year old piped after only 2 years pip fired,
47 year old 12 years service not NRE eligible pip fired. 27 year old with 2 years in pip fired because he did not ft in even though he did excellent work. All of these above did not deserve to be pip fired. There were more underserving employees but they were a-s kissers or in with the managers. I have seen people lives ruined by gossip, back stabbing, or perceptions spread by evil employees that wanted to move up on the backs of others. Always have a back up plan.
All true. Imagine what sc-mmy garbage our approx 1k execs must be to straight faced lie daily about this system to regular employees just to grift a living. Utterly gross
I believe the system is required to PIP and terminate a target percentage every year, so hard to get away if they get to you. Supervisors are hard pressed to find people to meet this percentage, so once they set eyes on you they’re not going to let go
I am being PCPed right now. It is for those 52 to 55. I met with HR and was instructed to either participate or not. With my regular work load it is impossible so I declined. I still meet with the tool supervisor to discuss my fictitious deficiencies. I just sit there and daydream. I have gotten the supervisor to cut some of the meetings because it is taking away from my work. My pip was total BS I guess I was the next one on the list. They got me for going to the supervisor for help with a problem with an employee. I did an exceptional job of training the new victims of the machine. I was able to turn over all work to these two new employees with any help or additional training. My reward was a pip or pcp. I cannot get fired for performance so I just coast along. The are trying to push me to stay extra hours and work on the weekends not. Employees around me barely stay at work 6 or 7 hours a day. They have no more ammunition to try to motivate me. Remember your are safe from 52 to 55 with at least 12 years service. You will be placed on a personal counseling plan not pip. You don't have to do anything to pass. A now retired employee went through this and did not participate. They made it six more years until they were piped and retired. PIP is a death sentence at exxon. It is a way to get you fired legally without lawsuits. It is not you it is exxon and their system. Don't feel bad or that you are a bad employee. I have seen terrible workers protected from pip because they were liked by the managers or protected for some reason. I have been in ranking meetings when I was a supervisor. I did not last as a supervisor and was made a SME. In the meetings we would identify lazy, worthless individuals that needed to be piped. We made or recommendations and were surprised when the manager intervened and saved these lovely workers from piping. The ranking is a total sh-t show. Remember it is not a fair system and the unprotected cannot win. When you have had enough he-l sh-t then leave.
@aiw+
That would probably be what I would do. Getting into the PIP trap would almost always result in the "it wasn't enough" stuff. I guess, they can pass some people for optics.
Ever have a scenario where the employee didn't sign the documents? If so, what was the outcome?
I have worked with HR during my career and have built many systems for them. During my many lunches with C-Level HR executives, with their jokes, they have illuminated me on the real role of HR. Not good, not bad. At a high level, their role is simply to staff and protect the corp.
Yes, PIPs are an easy way to document, terminate, and protect themselves from litigation.
If you've been PIPed, the first thing you probably noticed is the "unclear goals". Those are just meant to be an "I can see you have improved, but, unfortunately, it wasn't enough" excuse.
There are many jobs out there, however. But if I was PIPed, I would leave.
If you are not 55, I would do my best to stay around until you are 55 years old. There is a significant amount of "pension" dollars that you will leave on the table if you are terminated before 55 years old.
If a person takes the benefit before age 65, they usually receive less than 100% of the “vested benefit”. Below shows a part of the table of discounts, just to give a feeling for the significant difference between those who are retirement eligible (“retirees”) versus those who are not retirement eligible “terminees”.
Age Retiree Terminee
65 100% 100%
60 100% 60%
55 75% 38%
The full table can be found here: https://www.exxonmobilfamily.com/en/finance/pension/receiving-your-pension-benefit
You took the PIP and didn’t pass OR you stayed in NSI in the subsequent year after passing the PIP?