Is this confirmed?
SAS is getting some in August/September prior to Q3. They are picking the names, and this layoff will be heavy, mostly for Managers and Senior managers. The corporation saw a huge saving here to keep SAS floating. Will not issue a WARN notice similar to March and June layoffs.
OP: @ah+1k1bf0637
It's gonna su-k even more for those married couples working at L3harris when both of you get laid off.
Got a plan B?
Su-king up to the leadership won't work this time buddy.
@2gk was like this in the Camden, NJ CSE division too. It was a family, a team with a long history going back to RCA. Now hands are tied at division levels and not knowing what is truly happening at the division level. Too many upper management getting their bonuses because metrics are green but only green because people lie about what is truly going on. They do not want to listen. And now IT Accenture support going away too in December. Higher management needs to see what they have destroyed!!!
@3vk
Most of the people with half a brain have already left. All that's left are under qualified BS artists who couldn't get a job anywhere else. And then there's the losers that came crawling back after being laid off 18 months ago. The fact that they took them back speaks to the despiration they're feeling not attracting qualified people.
They just can't build a good product anymore.
Did anybody hear of a major reorganization coming to Florida and Clifton after the layoffs? It surely sounds like they’re going to layoff upper management.
I have heard some senior managers and a couple directors from operations and quality will be included in this layoff. Clifton is in big trouble. Anybody there with half a brain should leave now and get a real job with some stability..
@1yc 😂 you must be a test engineer! Yeah I know exactly what a SU-K. OUT is . And it's a perfect analogy for Clifton. I know because I've been here a very long time. But there is a storm coming. It's Monday late August and it's very somber here. Something is going to happen soon. And it's not good.
If Harris and L3 Harris had just left Clifton to run itself autonomously, it would still be making money. The old adage of not fixing what isn't broken clearly applies here. L3 Harris with its heavy-handed over management, tried to reinvent a sector of the industry that it
knew nothing about. They tried to employ an assembly line mentality that may have worked for mass producing handheld radios but was a complete disaster when it came to the complicated and intricate work of electronic countermeasures. The response to pointing out this elephant in the room was to fire every member of leadership who disagreed with them. What was once a company where people waited in line to get a job, where people made a 30 or 40-year career there, where their children worked and in some cases even their grandchildren worked. It wasn't just a place of employment, it was a community. A town within a town. Not just a company, but an institution that had endured since the closing days of the second world war. But, and a few very short years, since the acquisition of the former ITT defense business by Harris and the merger with Harris and L3 in 2019, the new leadership has completely destroyed it. For those who linger waiting for a change, you have my sympathy. But, The Old company is gone and will never come back. You need to accept that. If you're waiting for a layoff, your weight won't be very long. If you're waiting for a retirement, I hope the time passes quickly. But, if you're a younger person hanging on, waiting for a change, waiting is an exercise and futility. You must pack up, dust off your resume, and move on. There is nothing here for you.
@1pz
Clifton is in such a sad state most people there are miserable. They’re either waiting to retire or looking for other jobs. it’s very poorly managed. I don’t know how much longer they could keep the doors open.
@1yc
Clifton made a lot of money until L3 took over with their misguided directors and management and hiring way unqualified people for high positions in the company.
Heard a a lot of rumors about layoffs in Clifton toward the end of the month. I also had a rumor that most of Clifton was gonna go to PTO time.
I have also heard of a possible layoff in Sept. Good luck to all who are on IDL.
@1t2 probably because Clifton is the biggest financial suk-out in the entire organization.
I wish L3Harris would just get rid of Clifton - reading this board you would think Clifton is the center of the whole company. If you are considering working at L3H or worried about a layoff you should take the many Clifton posts with a grain of salt. Do research on your specific business unit as each business within L3H has its own dynamics.
SAS in Clifton doesn't have a single program that's making money or delivered on time. Not a single one. I Hope they've been enjoying their vacation time this summer, because next summer they will probably be job hunting, unemployed, or with a new employer accruing new vacation time. Either way, next summer is going to be very very different. In fact, don't be surprised if things get very different well before the holidays. Merry Christmas.
@OP When an organization suffers brain drain from such a toxic environment, this is what happens:
Programs that would keep people employed begin to fail. For example, both ship based decoy systems have been on indefinite hold because, in plain English, they have not worked and there are no skilled technicians left to build it.
AIDEWS, The long running F-16 program is having its' sub-assemblies outsourced to save labor costs (and reduce the number of L3 employees needed to build it.)
The replacement, Viper Shield which was started in Clifton over 3 years ago, has not shipped a single operational unit.
And, the F-18 program that has been the anchor for the business, IDECM is 4 years behind and way way over budget. NAVAIR has had enough and rumor has it that after decades of partnership, they are looking for someone else to build it. After all, it's not ITT anymore.
Efforts to move some work from the now-defunct businesses from California to Clifton will not provide the long term work this location needs to keep the lights on.
The reason I mention specific programs is to prove this is not hyperbole.
It has gotten so bad, that HR is actively recruiting both retirees and those laid off in 2024 to come back as "contract employees" and "per diems". It won't help. One lost program means layoffs. Multiple programs lost is a plant-closing event.
@1ak Locations?
A GL that I work with said this past week that there would be a layoff in September. The source of the info wasn't identified, but this person is usually spot on with the Intel.
We heard about it in Clifton. Lots of eye-rolling because the real offenders will be passed over as they were last time. Certain supervisors, manufacturing engineers and other "team leaders" who have been ripping off the company for years won't be touched by this. Regularly committing time card fraud, abusing PTO and directing others to do the same so they can rat them out later. If they were serious about cleaning this place up, they would have let those dirt bags go back in 2024. Soon, they won't have anybody to throw under the bus except each other. Everyone on the inside knows who they are and quite a few on the outside as well.
This is gonna be so much fun to watch.
Program Management should get hit too. Plenty of waste there.
@kv I had heard that as well, and was what my GL was thinking it would be. I agree with your baselining proposals. I'm a functional lead and am in charge of an area of engineering when we do BOEs/RFPs. Every time I've done one the past two years I constantly have management pushing back and shaving down the hours I propose.
I understand if you bid too many hours you might not win the bid, but it's better than under laboring and underbidding just for the sake of winning, only to have major issues later down the road. That's one of the biggest problems I've seen where I am. We underbid so we can win, then the people leading this bids put a feather in their cap and move on to the next thing, never having to deal with the consequences of their actions.
Then, when we have financial problems and overrun, we look at PTO/Sick/etc, and shave off those people instead of the ones leading these underbid RFPs. It's ridiculous. They are never solving the root problem because the root problem also wins bids, which looks great to the company (in the short term). smh
Had a Managers only SAS Zoom that focused on IDL and PTO/Sick. Generally a bad sign. One of the leaders even said "If all of the exempts took 160 hours of vacation, 40 hours of Sick, and 85% DL we wouldn't be able to make our deadlines".
Sounds like the problem is a bit higher than the engineers. If they can't properly baseline proposals....
Why wait for the next layoff? Get your resume out there and go find a new job on your own terms.
Hopefully they will focus on managers and assistant managers who have no staff to manage. And manufacturing engineers who charge time to do nothing more than figure out how to rearrange the furniture. Or supervisors who charge time to sleeping in their cars in the parking garage during second shift at 77 River Road.