Thread regarding Ford layoffs

EVs going to ki-l radio?

You cannot make this cr-p up! Also, good luck if you have heard implants...........

AM radio could be heading toward extinction after a century of service as car manufacturers stop offering the service in their electric vehicles.

Electric vehicles create more electromagnetic interference than their gas-powered counterparts, causing more static, noise and humming on AM signals than FM signals, The New York Times reports. The interference has led several car manufacturers — including Tesla, Audi, Porsche, Volvo and Volkswagen — to remove AM radio from their electric models.

"Rather than frustrate customers with inferior reception and noise, the decision was made to leave it off vehicles that feature eDrive technology," BMW said in a statement regarding its electric cars.

Introduced in the 1920s, AM remains in operation because transmissions travel farther than FM, it's often cheaper to operate and it remains popular among older radio listeners. Roughly 47 million Americans — 20% of the listening public — use the format, with listening times increasing slightly over the last five years to just over two hours per day. Of those listeners, roughly one-third are 65 or older.

Although AM stations can still be accessed via apps, a drop in direct listeners could make the format financially unsustainable. Ron January, operations manager at Alabama-based station WATV-AM, said the loss of AM receivers could be a "ki---r" move, explaining that "most of our listening audience is in the morning drive and afternoon drive, when people are going to work and coming from work — and if we’re not there in their car, we're nonexistent."

Diane Newman, operations and brand manager at WWL in New Orleans, argued that the service remains essential in rural areas. "You take away AM radios in cars and you take away a lifeline, a connection when the community needs you most," she said.

Senator Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) advocated to keep AM radio in electric vehicles in a letter sent to 20 manufacturers this month. "Despite innovations such as the smartphone and social media, AM / FM broadcast radio remains the most dependable, cost-free, and accessible communication mechanism for public officials to communicate with the public during times of emergency," he wrote. "As a result, any phaseout of broadcast AM radio could pose a significant communication problem during emergencies."

Others worry that the removal of AM radio from electric vehicles could mark the beginning of a slippery slope that sees more terrestrial radio formats falling by the wayside. "If radio disappears out of cars, that would be really devastating," said Nola Daves Moses, distribution director at Native American radio network Native Voice One. "Is this a first step? Is FM next?"

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Post ID: @OP+1kcc9iHF

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The ostrich approach: bury your head in the sand when things go south rather than understand what is happening and adjust.

Bill's only hope is to throw several millions at Mulally to see if he'll come out of retirement and save Ford one more time. He'll give a hard pass, Ford will file for bankruptcy, and that will be that.

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Post ID: @5nyc+1kcc9iHF

@4hpz is absolutely right. I had weekly meetings to critique my groups' progress or lack of progress strictly from RALLY reports. They were so skewed because obstacles were not entered because they were a a big no-no. I was instructed to make the RALLY reports look good....... which meant entering 2 bogus stories for every legit one. All my protests got me was a stalled career.

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Post ID: @5sdu+1kcc9iHF

Wall Street doesn't believe our leaders, why should employees? Our leaders have no record of delivering. They are just members of the executive club. It is no different than the typical Lion's executive hire. BF brings in people because they occupied a position for a few years.

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Post ID: @4fli+1kcc9iHF

Sounds like a bunch of conspiracy theorists on here. Do you really believe our leadership would tell us the connected data and subscription business model will deliver billions in profits if they didn't believe it? All to fool the employees and press?

I trust our leaders know what they are talking about. Stop spreading misinformation on Model e successes.

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Post ID: @4lxs+1kcc9iHF

@4gwp+1kcc9iHF is right. Since we started with Agile, Ford management is forcing the employees to skip the issues part. We cannot declare a dependency o blocker in Rally without having some manager pushing for removing it, especially when the blocker may take months to fix. At the end, we are doing something that is no longer Agile. Ford management bent Agile to adapt it to the company's culture of hiding mistakes.

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Post ID: @4hpz+1kcc9iHF

 @3uej+1kcc9iHF there is another post on here about the A.M. days when he questioned why all status was always "green" and never "yellow or red". that's why nobody speaks up about problems in the plans. you put something and yellow or red and you are in big trouble. even if you didnt cause the yellow or red.

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Post ID: @4gwp+1kcc9iHF

OMG @3uej+1kcc9iHF Two categories of people in the room

  • those who read the room, know that only acceptable response is applause (if you want to keep your job).
  • those who are gullible and believe everything they are told.

Jeez even leaders of non-Detroit auto companies have told the truth about the sketchy prospects of profits from data, AV and EV.

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Post ID: @4fdy+1kcc9iHF

@3hnm+1kcc9iHF LOL

What's sad is that I almost believe it!

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Post ID: @4qus+1kcc9iHF

I can help shed some light on this topic.........

I'm in the model e division, specifically in group AuVT. There have been many discussions about this and how to make up any potential big issues consumers may have. One of the main proposals our group has been considering is to bring back the 70's format HiPac player in future EVs. The HiPac format has many potential advantages in EVs - which I don't want to all list out here. This format has the possibility of multi track endless loop playing which can save the driver from always flipping the cartridge or always hitting play, stop etc....

  • Everyone have a safe and prosperous holiday season!
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Post ID: @3hnm+1kcc9iHF

@3uej you are either naive or you're new around here. Things work that way in fairy tail land. Why dont you go and tell Jimmy that he is wrong and doesnt know what he's doing..... the over/under on your bu-t flying out the door is 30 minutes. I'll take the under.

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Post ID: @3ail+1kcc9iHF

If you think you know that the data-based subscription business model won't pay off, then why aren't any of you telling leadership, upper management, or even local people leaders? Why not directly challenge them with a question in the townhalls?

It seems to me you realize the subscription and services direction of the company will succeed but you refuse to support the company transformation to this space.

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Post ID: @3uej+1kcc9iHF

I can get whatever ap I want on my phone. I am not paying a car company for any subscription. Ford's heritage is in producing vehicles for the masses. Good luck in a transformation battling for a customer that Ford has no record of successfully courting.

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Post ID: @2fpk+1kcc9iHF

a great quote regarding the Russia situation, also applies to Ford these days (nytimes.com)


In a recent phone interview, General Ivashov said that ... Service members told him that “victory in such a situation is impossible,” he said, but their superiors told them not to worry. A war would be a “walk in the park,” they were told.


Us minions tell 'em, at our own great expense, but they don't listen.

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Post ID: @2aek+1kcc9iHF

@2hed+1kcc9iHF

I’m in Finance, and you and anyone else who believes Ford will be generating anywhere near billions in subscription revenue needs to buy a clue. We don’t have anything to sell that another company isn’t ALREADY selling. There are real technology companies that can do anything Ford can do better than afford can do it.

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Post ID: @2efw+1kcc9iHF

Hello @2hed+1kcc9iHF

Do you even work at Ford? Of course Ford leadership is working with bad data.
If you have been @ Ford for a minute you know this is a universal Ford truth.
Bad data; spun stats; everyone willingly walking around with blinders and ear plugs all high fiving each other and backslapping.

Same happens with Ford software development. First we proclaim success despite having a pile of rubbish with gold plating. Then we build on top of the rubbish pile, proclaim more success, and on and on. No one can admit that everything is built on top of a crumbling lie. The first person who points out the base problem is the one who is blamed for the whole mess.

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Post ID: @2cly+1kcc9iHF

I don't understand why so many on this site insist that the revenue stream from the subscription business will not generate significant profits. Do you think that out leadership is working with bad data? Do you actually believe the teams under our top leadership are selling subscriptions to them via fraudulent data? Do you even work in Model e?

The revenue has been shown to have potential into the billions. I happen to believe our leaders have access to information that bloggers here are not aware of. I trust the direction the company is heading with this business model.

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Post ID: @2hed+1kcc9iHF

Do some math here.

What subscription service are people going to pay for?

If you want $1 billion in sub revenue that means you need 5 million customers paying $200 a year. Or some similar calculation. How long is it going to take to get 5 million Ford EVs on the road? 5+ years?

And what are people going to pay for exactly?

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Post ID: @2qqp+1kcc9iHF

@1ark+1kcc9iHF
There is NO WAY our subscription revenue will be anywhere near billions anytime soon. The people saying otherwise have inflated their numbers significantly.

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Post ID: @1vht+1kcc9iHF

AM and even FM radio are relics of the past in automotive. Just like many new cars do not have a CD player any longer. AM/FM will follow since buyers of new vehicles don't even use those services.

Now we have digital apps and subscription services that are and will fill that entertainment void. Ford's subscriptions revenue is going to reach well into the single digit billions before you know it. Refer to recent town halls if you don't believe me.

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Post ID: @1ark+1kcc9iHF

EVs generate more interference, but I'd say it all goes down to the effort OEMs put into keeping the feature (by adding more RF shielding for example). Generally speaking, I've noticed AM sound quality is absolute garbage on most modern cars compared to the hoopties I used to drive. Peak AM was probably in the '80s and '90s when Chrysler head units had AM stereo decoders.

The OEMs cited in the article are primarily European, where AM is far less prevalent than it is in North America, so it's understandable they'd ditch it first, and Tesla's target demographic probably hasn't listened to AM in years.

It's interesting that they interviewed BMW, because they used to have AM radio on the i3, but you had to plug into the OBDII port to reprogram the car to enable it. The current Mini Electric uses the same basic architecture as the i3, but the reprogramming trick doesn't work anymore. For some reason, they were too lazy to implement Android auto either. BMW group infotainment leaves a lot to be desired, and yet they have the ba--s to charge subscription fees on top of it.

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Post ID: @adj+1kcc9iHF

Most commercial radio sets have both AM and FM bands, so radio is still going to be around for a while. Now, while AM is cheaper to operate, I don't think that FM band transmitters are much more expensive, due to all the advances in electronics.

The main issue I see is emergency broadcasts in the roads (still in AM), and the economic impact on those AM broadcasters that rely on commuters for their paid advertising. However, the latter have been in hot water for a while now, with the advent of better and more reliable communications.

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