Nobody knows when layoffs will happen, but the overall number of employees should be public info. Do you know how many people work at the company? How about the office at Armonk?
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Headcount - as of 12/31/2019:
Employees and Related Workforce
For the year ended December 31: 2019
IBM/wholly owned subsidiaries 352,600
Less-than-wholly owned subsidiaries 9,600
Complementary 21,600
The complementary workforce is an approximation of equivalent full-time employees hired under temporary, part-time and limited-term employment arrangements to meet specific business needs in a flexible and cost-effective manner.
As a globally integrated enterprise, IBM operates in more than 175 countries
- SOURCE: https://www.ibm.com/annualreport/assets/downloads/IBM_Annual_Report_2019.pdf
About 1/2
@2wkw Think your #s are way off. If there’s 70K left in the local regions (NA, LATAM, EMEA, AsiaPac) I can see that splitting out as:
20K EMEA (15K Western Europe including Ireland delivery center and domestic CICs, 5K Eastern Europe delivery centers)
20K LATAM (Brazil delivery center here, remember- believe I heard a number once of around 20K in Brazil alone)
20K AsiaPac (excluding India/Philippines, probably 15K China and 5K between Japan, Singapore & Australia)
That leaves 10K in NA. The big sites- Corp, RTP, Austin make up 2/3. 1/3 remote workers.
Think the #s add up now?
Also makes me think- an appropriate ratio of managers to employees is generally regarded to be 1:10. So that means 7K managers max is appropriate for a 70K sample space. Note managers include first line up to executive. I am willing to bet the ratio is more like 1:4 at IBM, when you consider domestic CICs sway the numbers. In my practice and in the sectors I usually work in, we consistently have 1:2.
*before life at IBM I used to be a real consultant doing corporate valuations and cost takeout. Now I mostly use my skills to size up IBM and predict the next lay-off targets :-)
@2wkw+13cNnhVL,
Most locations numbers are grossly inflated. Our center supposedly has 400, but we all know at best we have about 100 in which the majority work remote. It's all number fudging for the incentives.
I believe your 10k number isn’t way way off. Rochester has 2500, POK has 3k, Austin Has approx 3k, tucson has 1k, Armonk has 2k, IBM labs has 2k, GTS has approx 10k, GBS has 5k, Redhat has 10k. Again that’s just estimates but they are pretty close so 40k. Then you have to add in marketing and CE’s (say another 15k) so we are up to 55-60k.
10K left in North America? Yet, this is still too much because they are too many useless people in management that bring nothing to the top line and only impact the bottom line... Probably another 2000-3000 in North America could go.
So given the 20/80 onshore/offshore model that IBM has adopted globally, that means 280,480 IBM employees in India & Philippines and 70K in the rest of the world. Someone once guessed that there were only 10K staff left in North America, and that number sounds about right.
350,600 employees, not sure how many are actually working. . .
Per 2018 IMB Annual report
IBM and its wholly owned subsidiaries have 350,600 employees
Source:
Page 67, last paragraph table
https://www.ibm.com/annualreport/assets/downloads/IBM_Annual_Report_2018.pdf