Pay or title?
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I'd rather have higher pay over a title any day.
My rational is that with more money I can get more TITle!
@3mwc Plenty of people outside of O&G make management within five years.
If it’s taking longer than that to graduate to management or senior IC positions then there’s an issue with the company culture. It’s office work, not swordsmanship or knighthood.
As for job hopping, it’s the quickest path to higher earnings. The sole purpose of a job is to make the money required to reach your personal goals. People need to stop thinking of their job like it’s a spouse or a friend.
@3ejb+1oNNJtkP, I think people were reacting to the expectation of a manager title in 5 years and if not then must job hop. To be fair, your original post did say manager or technical leader. Your advice on minding the politics of title is sound.
@2kpe I have no idea what you people are taking from that post.
Early in your career, your title matters more. Later in your career, it’s more about money and position. Like, what’s the f’n problem with saying that?
@2kqj Not sure what you’re trying to say here.
Unless you’re working in a highly technical field (ex. autonomous robotics), you will have seen most of what there is to see within five years as far as doing your job goes. This is especially true for any large O&G operating company.
We keep coming back to the fact that you people don’t do much besides write purchasing specs, tinker with spreadsheets, and push emails around. Your bosses do even less. Maintain three points of contact while getting down from your high horse.
@2euo+1oNNJtkP, at least you are honest with your narcissism on full display. You are the chosen one so, yes, you must move on if the company fails to recognize you status right here and now. Take your title and your aristocratic entitlement and see where that will get you. As for me, my early career focus will be on seeking out good projects and pouring my whole self into them to get valuable experience. Make myself valuable to the company first and then, looking forward, ask whether the company has a pipeline of real projects to allow me to continue to grow and contribute.
Really? Five years out of school and expect to be a Manager or supervisor?
That’s a recipe for disaster. That’s the problem these days … everybody wants a participation trophy via a fancy title.
@OP Depends where you are in your career.
Early on, title probably matters more, because everyone fresh out of school is making the same money. A good job title helps you stand out and aids in bargaining upward when job-hopping.
Once you have more than five years of experience in your field, you should either be a manager or a senior/lead something, and the money matters more.
Title is correlated to pay. Have you seen a DH making less than FLS? Take the title and pay will follow
The road to happiness is having enough money to meet your and your family’s needs. The pay should be in line with the skills you bring and your impact. If they pay you more for doing something that you enjoy then it is just icing on the cake. However, if you use money as a measure of success then it’s the wrong yardstick. There will always be someone who makes more than you.
The same with titles. Titles are meaningless because it costs the company nothing to hand them out. Company gives out titles of advisors, chiefs, managers, principal, or head of something. VPs are a dime a dozen. Some people even tack on the world “global” to try to make their position sound more important. Title is helpful because it define a role when we interact with others. But the person still have to earn the respect of the people who they do business with. Title should not be another yardstick to measure you against someone else. So don’t worry too much about title unless it is totally misaligned with the job. Because at the end of your career, nobody is going your remember your title. But you will remember a job well done and the friendships you formed along the way.
Good ole days will be both....coz one doesn't fly w/o the other. Today, title is like university degrees, they have been watered down so much that we don't even have real SME's anymore. So I'll happily take the pay as of right now
Third option. People do their jobs would be nice.
Pay.
Personally I miss the old days where there was a progression of titles. Well over a decade ago they called me an advisor for the first time and I was terrified of the very real responsibility that came with the title. Now everyone is called an advisor, and the youngster advisors think their opinion counts on whatever technology or business matter they first learned of just yesterday. At least we used to have senior advisors, but at of last week, they are now handing that title out to kids with no experience as well. Later in career, salary becomes less important and you just want to do a good job and finish with dignity, which is increasingly hard to do when everyone is a senior advisor and every kid’s opinion counts just as much as those with real experience.
You must be an Indian. Only someone from a country with a caste system would ask such a question.
Pay! Title means nothing.
Depends if short or long term. If short, you want the title so you can negotiate your next job with the BS title. If long term, you want the pay.
Title is nothing, it’s what you go home with that counts
Pay and value of work
I'm considering leaving and I'm trying to figure some stuff out, in case you're wondering why I'm asking.