Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@3plm+1pPeZsji the difference is Tesla has Elon Musk, but at Ford we have Bill Ford and Farley. Musk could do everything Bill and Farley are capable of doing with both hands tied behind his back.

@3vcf+1pPeZsji
I believe Lawler almost as much as Fain believes Farley.

Did anyone here see Lawler's recent discussion on the long term potential of the Ford+ transformation plan?

Compelling.

@3plm+1pPeZsji That you would think that is something to rest your case on is a perfect example of the kind of people that have been running Ford into the ground.

Ask you negative BEV yourselves this, is Tesla getting out of the EV business?

I rest my case.

Anyone who has been paying attention knows the Ford USA Battery plants will be mothballed before they even open. Follow the money folks. Which companies are raking in the do-re-me constructing the sites? Who is an investor/owner of those companies? Who are they related to?

@1orr+1pPeZsji Thanks for the link. Another "smart" political move by Ford. I think Ford, as other OEMs, went into BEVs for political reasons, following the mandates of the green woke democrat monster.

I also think that Ford didn't prepared for the UAW contract renewal, particularly the aggressive rethoric of Fain. Maybe Ford got used to the previous "flexible ($$$)" UAW leaders, maybe didn't want to push back against the democrat's darling (Union) and risk losing political support.

This way, now they have an excuse, a valid one under the eyes of the democrats, for not following the green mandate, so instead of keep throwing resources into the BEV money pit, they can "give it" to the UAW.

I've been thinking, since Fartley did the "Lightning challenge", A.K.A, driving long distance with a Lightning, that the C-suite cannot be so stupid, so oblivious to the real world. Why Fartley did the trip just now and not a copuple of years ago? Then it would have been a way to convince the undecided, and maybe it would have helped finding ways to improve the electric experience. Doing it now, and "discovering" all the challenges and difficulties associated with driving a BEV in America, issues well known and documented by our customers, didn't make sense. Unless Fartley was looking for an excuse that would justify his bad performance.

That could be still the case. However, now I am thinking that maybe the trip was part of a bigger political game. Maybe was the opening for the decision to stop burning money in BEVs. A way for the C-suite to say to the green woke democrat monster "Hey, I tried my best, but blame it on the American people. I am still under your boot, read to lick it for you, like I did for the UAW.", while not losing too much political clout. That would also explain why in less than a week, the CEOs of four auto companies said the same thing, blaming the failure of the BEV push onto the lack of buyers and stopping the BEV investments.

I gotta a new place for the batteries...Right up Farleys butt...

When will this clown show end...Its like a bad sicom that gets renewed

This from ZeroHedge: “Ford Offers Updated 2023 Guidance, Will Slash $12 Billion In EV Investments As Result Of UAW Contract”
www.zerohedge.com/markets/ford-offers-updated-2023-guidance-will-slash-12-billion-ev-investments-result-uaw-contract

@1uqp+1pPeZsji if you think lithium is rare, where the heck are you gonna get selenium and xenon in mass quantities?

@1uqp+1pPeZsji Another miraculous battery? Please stop with all the nonsense. There is a big difference between a lab result and the real world experience, and even a bigger one regarding an "ongoing research", A.K.A, "we haven't ironed out all the kinks yet" experiment.

BTW, future deals can always be made, but bad deals, no matter if now or later, must be avoided in order for the business to survive. News flash for you, Fartley and all the fools in the C-suite... BEVs were never a good idea, and the poor execution of these battery electric vehicle projects has caused a huge BEV setback in the minds of consumers. BEVs always were meant to be a niche market, not a mass adoption.

These dealers just may be sorry in a few years. There is a company working on a selenium and xenon semi solid battery (S-Xe) that is impervious to temperature differentials and much more robust to damage from accidents etc. Range is about 40% longer than current tech and charging is about 65 to 70% faster. Battery mass is still being kept confidential but some have quoted around 30 to 40% less mass than current. S-Xe batteries will most likely be the next major advancement and would leap the solid state batteries now being touted. Due to the size and mass reductions, automakers will have much more platform and package flexibility, meaning the battery may not need to be located under the floor. There are many other advantages as well if you research.....

EV manufacturers know that most people don’t want EVs because of the inconveniences and costs. The manufacturers were depending on subsidies and mandates. But maybe they are sensing a waning of political will for all things “green”.

@1kyo+1pPeZsji

Hello Mr. Boring. Good to see your vanilla self on these boards this morning. Cut back on the cool-aid ok? Thanks buddy...

This is why we aren’t building 600,000 Lightnings or Mach-Es any time soon:

Car dealers across the United States are warning President Joe Biden that his “unrealistic” green energy agenda must be abandoned, mainly because Americans are not buying Electric Vehicles (EVs) as the administration expected.

Executives with car dealerships from Massachusetts to Alabama to Wyoming sent a letter to Biden this week, urging his administration to drop EV mandates and green energy requirements on the auto industry, citing a lack of interest among American consumers in EVs.

Auto industry experts who spoke to Axios said their dealerships have struggled to sell EVs. Mickey Anderson, whose firm owns dealerships in Colorado, Missouri, and Nebraska, said Ford’s F-150 Lightning all-electric pickup truck is their latest hard sell.

Last year, for instance, the firm’s dealerships sold just 25 of the all-electric trucks out of about 1,000 F-series trucks sold.

This is no surprise because retail customers arent buying to the EV noise. The initial hysteria has subsided and now people are realizing that the technology and infrastructure arent here yet. Billy and the board look like real fools now.