Thread regarding Intel Corp. layoffs

Why DEI is misguided and an unmitigated disaster for Intel

Assume for the intentions of DEI are good... If you hire / promote anyone (or fail to layoff anyone) who is a DEI you have very negative and unintended consequences as follows:

  1. You may have promoted someone for reasons other then merit
  1. You have now put a person in a position where they are not likely to produce great work
  1. You have not improved the persons well being, they will be stressed out. People generally know when they are in over their head and it creates a lot of stress.
  1. You create internal group tension and tribalism because the group can see that a DEI without merit has been given a position unfairly. The group begins to turn on itself.

You may say this post is unfair because the DEI can have good merit for promotion. However, the way Intel implements DEI this is not necessarily the case. For examples, managers have posted online here that they are allowed to hire for a REQ only if the hire is a DEI or URM. Ask yourself honestly, do you really believe the best person is hired for a job when you tell a manager they can only hire if the person is a DEI?

Convince me I am wrong with a logical rationale.

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Post ID: @OP+1kcGyQk5

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@6qzp+1kcGyQk5 well,then I'm sorry that you are choosing to base your entire belief and opinion on one company's f$cked up implementation of DEI. For the rest of us, DEI one indian engineer+his entire extended family getting hired. That is an issue that is endemic to Intel. DEI when implemented correctly is a wonderful thing that means more opportunities for everyone who are typically marginalized. It does not mean you get hired because you're a minority. Because you pulled in Microsoft, I'm sharing their DEI statement - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/inside-microsoft/default.aspx

Inside Microsoft, DEI means setting up code camps and scholarships for marginalized communities who don't typically participate in tech. It means increasing awareness for the difficulties that some communities go through like qu--r folks or disabled folks. The point of DEI, at least in Microsoft, is to give these folks a voice, support, and most importantly, give them opportunities that set them up to get a shot at the tech industry, should they choose.

And this is perhaps the most important part - none of this stuff gets implemented at the cost of engineers or engineering. Microsoft is first and foremost a tech company, it is not shooting its technology growth in the head by hiring minorities just for virtue signaling purposes.

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Post ID: @6hbo+1kcGyQk5

Anything that favors immutable characteristic over merit is a bad thing. DEI is a bad thing.

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Post ID: @6qzp+1kcGyQk5

@5ble+1kcGyQk5 lol dude Microsoft is not Intel. Microsoft uses DEI to hire people with disabilities who can advice on product development like how to make MS Word more accessible for blind or deaf folk. The Xbox adaptive controller was a direct outcome of such an initiative. DEI in itself not a bad thing, but Intel has made a mockery of it.

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Post ID: @5soy+1kcGyQk5

A big supporter of DEI in Tech is the CEO of Microsoft Satya Nadella. If DEI is such a bad thing then why would Satya agree with it? That is, unless the H1B/Indians folks can agree that Sadtya is Microsoft's worst CEO.

https://www.onmsft.com/news/ceo-satya-nadella-outlines-plans-promote-diversity-and-inclusion-microsoft

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Post ID: @5ble+1kcGyQk5

And the BO... Good Lord.......

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Post ID: @4bhg+1kcGyQk5

Yes, DEI is a problem at Intel ( not the only problem) Just look at the makeup of your ELT. Diverse but lacking in technical and leadership skills.

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Post ID: @3wju+1kcGyQk5

You make it sound like if you remove DEI you'd have some wonderful meritocracy and you wouldn't. Your mediocre a-s would still not get promoted. Someone else would get your dream job because they laugh at your boss' jokes more, etc.

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Post ID: @1sob+1kcGyQk5

This website needs DEI😂

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Post ID: @1sum+1kcGyQk5

OP is correct. DEI is part of what is harming the company today. Hiring and promo decisions ARE being made based on DEI. This is 100% real and happening. Nothing wrong with giving a little boost or a chance to someone, but its way beyond that. Sad thing is it robs "DEI" individuals of the drive to learn and grow, because why bother when you know you will get those promos anyway. Is the board driving this agenda? I think so.

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Post ID: @1rqn+1kcGyQk5

Agree but we still dont have equil pay for women or other URM. I think that is the real issue.

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Post ID: @1syd+1kcGyQk5

I’m a 61-year old hoops player that’s 5’10”. There’s no one like me in the NBA — no one I can relate to. Where’s the DEI for me? Sad!

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Post ID: @1nqr+1kcGyQk5

Isn't the real policy to proceed with tolerance and acceptance and hire only qualified engineers?

Not where there are quotas and policies that say you cannot have a REQ to hire unless you fill it with a URM or DEI hire. That goes well beyond 'tolerance'.

This is the problem. You might have the 'intention' to create acceptance but to implement the policy you put in a quota that actually is counter productive. Did you read the Op post carefully?

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Post ID: @1pfa+1kcGyQk5

Is the hiring strategy or interviewing no good? Is there really anyone who is hired without the right type of merit? I don't see someone landing an engineering position without showing their real qualifications to multiple team members? Isn't the real policy to proceed with tolerance and acceptance and hire only qualified engineers?

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Post ID: @ils+1kcGyQk5

PSO is not DEI BS is not DEI
Immoral and dishonest ELT is not DEI

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Post ID: @sep+1kcGyQk5

DEI hiring/firing/promoting practices that give preferential treatment to URM's are technically illegal when it comes to Sect VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. However, those that practice it dance around the issue and say/document other factors to try to legally protect their backsides. Plus, many of our legal institutions have themselves become corrupted that they turn a blind eye to it or make excuses when certain folks that dont check the right boxes are discriminated against.

https://www.eeoc.gov/statutes/title-vii-civil-rights-act-1964

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Post ID: @xmj+1kcGyQk5

DEI = go woke, go broke. That's what's happening to my company. layoffs today.

Hope the VP of DEI gets the boot, too. Discussions about gender/s-xuality and that foolishness is not work related. Get rid of all that garbage and save it for your social network.

Too many people at my company join groups and take part in all this junk during office hours when they should be working. The entire DEI department soaks up so much money on this stuff.

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