Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

Wonder who in HR follows this SAS posting site?

There is no way SAS doesn’t know about this site. I’m just wondering what they’ll do with the info they are gathering?

Even though this is anonymous, I could imagine SAS knows it’s definitely NOT the new hires or people under 5 years here. Definitely not many people (when it comes to talking layoffs) under 50 when they comment about the unfairness of group firings.

They’re trying to compete in wokeness, and personally it’s damaging to moral (which they don’t seem to care…they’ll throw you a biscuit here and there). Goal is to keep their DEI score high. Looks so foolish to me. So, trendy high-school. I don’t get it. What they do about DEI makes them look like they’ve been guilty for years discriminating, when that was never the case. Now the only discrimination I see going on is against people over 50.

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Post ID: @OP+1o36xa5G

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Kathy in HR follows this site.

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Post ID: @18eic+1o36xa5G

https://youtu.be/YbMHr1Tra9M?si=UBFnwITpa2BZ3CyY

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Post ID: @axys+1o36xa5G

Minor correction:

“SAS appreciates our employees hold strong views on politics and religion but we ask that you mostly keep these discussions away from work”.

read closer to:

“SAS appreciates our employees hold strong views on politics and religion but these things are better discussed away from work”.

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Post ID: @7gby+1o36xa5G

That was supposed to read 'current Supreme Court'.

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Post ID: @5ign+1o36xa5G

@5dlt+1o36xa5G …. This comment is spot on AND the underlying reason why woke@SAS is contributing to the decline of SAS. The people who promote DEI say things like “statistics prove that the more diverse your company is the better ideas you get, the better people work together and the more successful your products”.

Newsflash, SAS has had “diversity” for the past 30 or so years. It’s just not the kind of “diversity” the current woke DEI advocates love to be about gerrymandering Throughout the 1980s, 90s and well into the 2000s SAS break rooms featured a little sign that among other things read something like the following:

“SAS appreciates our employees hold strong views on politics and religion but we ask that you mostly keep these discussions away from work”.

Nevertheless, thoughtful employees from a variety of race, nationality, religious, se-ual orientation, etc. identity groups had productive discussions with one another as a matter of course. These occurred over time as people got to know each other. Personal conversations occurred, that in many cases helped create empathy and bonds between employees that increased their mutual trust and productivity. AFAICR there were no special formal “identity groups” based on any immutable characteristic, military service, etc. Sure, people of various similar backgrounds get together, eat together, Work out together, etc.

I’m not even completely against DEI. I think to the degree that it can increase empathy and help promote things like Neurodiversity, coaching people from “underrepresented” groups who really want to get into tech, etc. — these are all productive, wonderful things.

However, it is without a doubt that the higher you rise in the company, the greater your likelihood of getting promoted if you posses immutable Or gender identity characteristics aligned with current DEI initiatives.

As far as “pride” goes … I’m proud to be one of the longest serving innovators in the history of SAS. Myself and hundreds who look a lot like me are/were pillars in building SAS, right up to the present time. However, how do you think it would go over if we wanted to start and “old white geek male” DEI identity group? If your answer is “no that would be racist and s-xist” then your DEI is not truly diverse nor inclusive. Instead it is merely an action group for modern woke agendas.

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Post ID: @5feg+1o36xa5G

wrt to the previous comment .....seems to me that getting the outlandishly irrational 'The only way to end racism is to encourage more racism and division, perhaps in a different direction, and force everyone even consider race in making decisions' mind-meme widely accepted (all the way up to the current president) is one of the biggest wins racists have had in decades.

Your mileage may vary.

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Post ID: @5his+1o36xa5G

wrt to the previous comment .....seems to me that getting the outlandishly irrational 'The only way to end racism is to pretend it doesn't exist and not allow anyone to even consider race in making decisions' mind-meme widely accepted (all the way up to the Supreme Court!) is one of the biggest wins racists have had in decades.

Your mileage may vary.

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Post ID: @5dlv+1o36xa5G

The employee feedback survey is always funny. You have to rate how "inclusive" SAS is and say how safe or unsafe you feel. I feel very unsafe, and I do not feel like I can speak with my manager or anyone in leadership about my concerns. Why? Because of DEI. Because the SAS DEI program is discriminating against me.

Do I feel like the promotion process is fair? Of course it isn't. Because again, DEI. DEI makes everything unfair. If they wanted "fair" they'd get rid of DEI. But if I say I don't feel safe, it looks in the statistics like I'm asking for more DEI. So I can't really express my concerns. How oppressive!

The only way to make irrelevant things like skin color and gender stop being a consideration is to STOP MAKING THEM A CONSIDERATION. Seriously, this isn't a hard thing to solve. Eliminate DEI because DEI is discrimination. Then you can let your best performers be rewarded, and those who aren't good can go away.

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Post ID: @5dlt+1o36xa5G

SAS HR is little more than a bunch of East Carolina English majors who couldn't find any other work. No respect for them.

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Post ID: @5iob+1o36xa5G

"Diversity and inclusion" programs ARE racism and s-xism in action. Such programs are inevitably racist and s-xist by design. The direction of the racism and s-xism is irrelevant. DEI is no better than "old" discrimination. It's just the same thing but favoring different groups. It's every bit as evil as "old" discrimination.

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Post ID: @5ocn+1o36xa5G

Notice that we can’t comment anymore on the SAS@Woke comment. Guess they don’t like free speech. Hmm

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Post ID: @4xcp+1o36xa5G

Looks like many posts on the MSGA thread were removed. Anything mentioning the nefarious impact of woke@SAS appears to be gone.

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Post ID: @1uhf+1o36xa5G

Either the MSGA thread was removed and restored, or my eyes are going. It's here:
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1o2dCiJO

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Post ID: @1emm+1o36xa5G

Looks like they removed all the DEI-related comments and that lively back-and-forth.

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Post ID: @1gpv+1o36xa5G

They might try spamming the board, but I think site moderators are taking care of that, deleting spam and troll posts.

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Post ID: @1uvm+1o36xa5G

They might be reading, but can't do much here, except to read. Just be careful, don't put identifiable info when posting.

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Post ID: @1sia+1o36xa5G

Guess we answered the OP’s question… HR is lurking and defending itself. lol

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Post ID: @fmc+1o36xa5G

If they object to the comments on this site, I'm willing to shut up for a reasonable fee :-)

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Post ID: @jmc+1o36xa5G

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