Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Do you want to work from home forever?

Like remote? Do you want to work from home forever?

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Post ID: @OP+18kfgGwi

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YES I want to work from home until I retire. I can either drive to & from work taking 2 hours a day. Or sit at home and put in more time to my job. I would rather to the latter. There is too much stress & politics in going to the office. LET US WORK FROM HOME!!!

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Post ID: @ehvb+18kfgGwi

All the Leadership team is on a short term cash grab. What ever it takes to makes numbers right now so bonuses get paid. When the gig is up, they move on. Stick around as long as the WS bankers buy the story and stock stays up. I do not miss the commute or the office. There are a handfull of good workers I am friends with that I miss, that's about it. I would rather continue WFM, save gas $, keep the time spent on commute in my life.

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Post ID: @6xeg+18kfgGwi

If you think "leadership" cares about people leaving, you're drinking their kool-aid. People who leave voluntarily are employees who don't get severance pay. Each job is different, and sometimes you need to be in the office, whether that be for new product design, making and shipping parts, pursuing new business, whatever requires face to face interaction. There should be flexibility for employees to WFH when they need to, and HON has proven they could care less about that. Sure, some people took advantage of WFH, but most didn't. If HON doesn't think its employees are mature enough or trust them enough to WFT effectively when they need to, then HON isn't the right place to work. HON will insist that people be back in the office within the year. My advice - find a company that values you.

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Post ID: @6nau+18kfgGwi

No, I miss the office.

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Post ID: @6oaf+18kfgGwi

@5ugd

Marketing folks, accountants, etc., are a dime a dozen at any university. Yes, they are needed, but they are by no means indespensable. To believe so is to think too highly of yourself.

Consider yourself in good company, though, as management thinks knowledgeable engineers, technicians and build operators are replaceable at a moment's notice. The present state of the company and it's inability to innovate, deliver on time, or compete proves this to be the case.

At some point, your marketing and accounting will come to naught when you have no product to ship nor phony metric to massage.

I well remember the days when the sales force's metric was to sell at any cost, and they did! Then Design Engineering's metric was to cheapen the design, and they did! Then Production Engineering's metric was to reduce the details in the layout to make it faster, and they did! Then ISC's metric was to ship it sooner by reducing testing, and they did! So efficient was ISC at shipping ahead of schedule, that the customer had to move their receiving dock and not tell us the new address until the following calendar year. It really didn't matter, because once the customer started the devices, they didn't work. Every single discipline saved the company money at every stage of the operation. The only problem was, the product no longer was reliable when it worked, which wasn't often, and Honeywell was finally thrown over for another supplier. Been there done that. All driven by the indespensable folks who are able to work from home and remind us that we wouldn't be employed without them. The reality is, your importance to the organization is proportional to the number of folks that you know who work on the line. The fewer you know, the further you are from the product line and the reality of what the company does, and the less valuable you are. It can take several years or more to truely replace a great build operator or tech. It can take a couple of years or more to replace even an average engineer with knowledge of the product. Unless you're cooking the books, it takes about 8 hours to replace an accountant, and as far as management, at least 1/2 would not need to be replaced at all, within any time frame.

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Post ID: @6smw+18kfgGwi

Yes, then retire and go wherever I want.

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Post ID: @5yql+18kfgGwi

Yes

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Post ID: @5uck+18kfgGwi

WFH forever? No, I would prefer to retire, and not work at all (for any company, that is). Mama and me got big plans to do some traveling, and quit being stressed all the time 😀

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Post ID: @5avz+18kfgGwi

Yes, why not.

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Post ID: @5fcm+18kfgGwi

Yes, WFH forever.

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Post ID: @5moc+18kfgGwi

A couple of people have self-identifed as lacking a basic understanding of the roles needed to make a corporation work. While you are very capably making widgets, others have to find a market for those widgets, get materials to make the widgets, ship the widgets to the customers, teach customers how to use the widgets properly, count the money from the widgets, pay you for making the widgets, pay the overhead for the site where you make the widgets, write press releases about our great widgets, keep the computers running for Teams meetings to discuss what's next for the widgets and to track the money from the widgets, and make sure a whole lot of that widget cash goes to the overlords.

Now that you know a bit more about the company beyond your site, perhaps you can imagine how some of that widget-supporting work could be done off-site...and even from home...by conscientious professionals.

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Post ID: @5ugd+18kfgGwi

You know, for everyone here that loves working from home, that's great. It tells me that so far, no one who actually designs, builds, tests or ships an actual product is responding to this question.

Yes, you're indespensible, because you order parts, and you're indespensable because you tally up the metrics. So indespensible, that Honeywell will more likely survive not producing a product than eliminating your position.

Get real.

I started building products, then designing them, later still, overseeing their production and then finally, leading engineers who ultimately did that for me. Not once did I ever wish I had someone on my team that worked from home. Usually we got product out the door in spite of those folks, who rarely had the sense of urgency to accomodate us by efficiently doing their job. So, congratulate yourselves all you want, for being able to sit at home and do your job. The mere fact that you're at home should be a huge clue as to how valuable you truely are.

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Post ID: @5utg+18kfgGwi

The last post is the dumbest post ever ; looks like written by someone with no clue.

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Post ID: @4cth+18kfgGwi

If you aren’t touching product your job is overhead. This goes for managers of all levels, anyone remotely involved in procurement ( disaster!) and engineers who think they are being useful writing documents that will never be read again. Certainly the software engineers never read those docs while they spend months whining and churning on stupid questions under the guise of “we have poor requirements”. Go to the lab and get real information. If there is nothing in the lab then work another program.
As a contractor I saw a lot of companies and Honeywell is the most dysfunctional I encountered. Either staff up and own the bureaucracy or get rid of everyone and have people bid for spots on small project teams with little oversight.
Honeywell can’t stomach the big teams needed to really get a job done nor can managers just throw money at startup style teams .. the result is a lukewarm company. Read revelation 3:16 for how that will work out.
Ps: religious references are absolutely appropriate for the kind of loyalty Honeywell is hoping for... what else is a “burning platform”, If not a direct reference to h—l?

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Post ID: @4wem+18kfgGwi

makes a lot of sense to be working from home so obviously the clowns running the company will be against it - well until they close the plant down you're pointlessly travelling to obviously

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Post ID: @2bnz+18kfgGwi

@izr
Put the mouse on the space bar and you won't even have to move it around sporadicly.

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Post ID: @2dtz+18kfgGwi

@bzx+18kfgGwi

Less distractions for me when not in the office. It's quiet and I don't have to contend with the drone of voices in the countless meetings. The coffee pot is 10 feet away and the bathroom is 20 feet away with no occupancy restrictions. Lunch is faster as the fridge is next to the coffee pot. And I don't have young children any more. When work is done, I close the laptop and step away. It's an easy commute.

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Post ID: @2wib+18kfgGwi

Why increase your carbon footprint commuting thousands of miles annually when that work can be done from a desk at home? Work from home would be an environmental step in the right direction and companies could pride themselves with allowing it!

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Post ID: @1tbz+18kfgGwi

@1itg, if it were any other company besides Honeywell (well, maybe not Uber either) I would suggest going to HR about your bully problem. But, the last person I knew of who complained about a harrassing coworker was walked out along with the bully. Seriously, find another job because the higher you go at HW, they're all bullies.

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Post ID: @1vjj+18kfgGwi

No, I do not want to work forever, regardless of location.😏

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Post ID: @1ult+18kfgGwi

It's not that I want to work from home, I just don't want to work in the same building as the bully that sits next to me. Work from home, or at another company that rewards good performance and punishes unjustifued arrogance and agression, either way I'll be happier.

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Post ID: @1itg+18kfgGwi

I was in a meeting with senior management recently, they mentioned leadership is considering/evaluating relaxing the WFH policy because of the loss of Honeywell talent to companies that allow WFH as a standard policy. They mentioned the loss has become a big problem for Honeywell in Puerto Rico. After 9 months, perhaps common sense will prevail. I guess time will tell.

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Post ID: @1gbj+18kfgGwi

I've been WFH since before they tried to outlaw it. Many good ones got away but I work for PSC phx. And work 700 miles away never stepping into an office.
I've gotten around it so far. Setting up laptop on my kitchen island and moving the mouse once in a while. LOVE IT!

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Post ID: @izr+18kfgGwi

Geez... reading these responses, I can’t help but wonder who the hell does the work?

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Post ID: @gmj+18kfgGwi

Hybrid option would be great but like anything that is good, it will be taken away...

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Post ID: @fjp+18kfgGwi

Similar to other posters, I work with people in many different time zones. When I go to the office, I'm on phone/Teams calls. I commute to sit at a desk and talk on the phone, which is clearly a waste. Seems like having people like me designated as remote workers would actually be a good thing for the company objective of rooftop consolidation.

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Post ID: @hlj+18kfgGwi

Yes. I enjoy sitting on the porch and drinking beer. Giving the bare minimum each and every day. Its awesome!

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Post ID: @deb+18kfgGwi

How can you really collaborate 6ft apart any way? Yes keep WFH!!

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Post ID: @fdc+18kfgGwi

Yes! I hated getting up at zero dark thirty to drive 45 minutes to the office only to be on Teams meetings with Europe and the western hemisphere all day from whatever desk I could find. I hated the things I found on the office toilet seats from people who should've been raised better.

My job is 100% remote anyway so I can do it better and more safely from home and donate my saved commute time to the company. I don't want to go back to the above.

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Post ID: @jwq+18kfgGwi

No

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Post ID: @hyk+18kfgGwi

Yes! I've been WFH for 17 years. I have F2F customer meetings and virtual co-worker meetings. I can't imagine having to go back into an office and be distracted by other people talking around me and interrupting me. It's not that I don't like interacting with others. I'm more productive and I thrive on being autonomous.

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Post ID: @sef+18kfgGwi

I've only been to the office ~5 days since March. I really do enjoy the 30 second commute to the office. In my role, my work is interacting with folks at many global locations, so even in the office I would spend 95+% of the time on phone / Skype / Teams with remote resources. However, I do miss the relationship and interactions with fellow colleagues (even though my role doesn't involve interaction with them) and also feel that the idea of belonging to a larger group and contributing to the group success is not as strong as before, attending town halls only is not the same as personal contact with colleagues. Ideal for me would be flexible work from home, maybe 1-2 days at office and balance work from home.

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Post ID: @axj+18kfgGwi

For me yes it makes sense. Everything i do is online and my direct reports are in a different country. It makes for a more balanced life and I end up being more productive due to less distractions.

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Post ID: @dse+18kfgGwi

I would love to have a hybrid approach. Not talking about everyone being WFH on Friday, but having more flexibility of being able to take meetings in the mornings from home.

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Post ID: @zll+18kfgGwi

Although, its an enticing thought but for some being at the office is more productive with less distractions. Furthermore, it allows oneself to differentiate between personal and company time.

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Post ID: @bzx+18kfgGwi

Yes!!!

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