It just seems like both the pro and anti Union crowd like to lump CWA and IBEW as being 1 in the same. But they’re 2 different unions, with 2 different membership bases.
I just think moving forward, everyone needs to do a better job explaining how different CWA is from IBEW, and the key differences in the contracts, the Union leadership, and how Verizon interacts with each Union.
This is why union are the worst and need to go away! Union are like tribes in jungle fights. Given that union membership is something like 12% of the entire workforce in the USA speaks volumes. No one wants to be part of an group that acts like street gangs and thugs and can't learn to be civil. And, can't stand the fact that about 88% of the American workforce as rejected you.
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So associates from Boston and Rhode Island are seen as “weaker” than associates from NY and NJ? That’s unfortunate that a strike from 30 Years ago left that kind of scar between the 2 Unions.
I’m guessing then that the Mid-Atlantic markets that became Bell Atlantic are CWA?
So associates from Boston and Rhode Island are seen as “weaker” than associates from NY and NJ? That’s unfortunate that a strike from 30 Years ago left that kind of scar between the 2 Unions.
I’m guessing then that the Mid-Atlantic markets that became Bell Atlantic are CWA?
New York Telephone was CWA. New England Telephone was IBEW. Then we became NYNEX.
The difference is during the '89 strike, IBEW went back before CWA. Never been unity between CWA and IBEW.
I’m the OP, and it seems that there’s still no clear answer on the differences between the CWA at Verizon and the IBEW at Verizon. Those are the nuances and differences that I want to try and better understand. Why aren’t all associates CWA, or all associates IBEW? Are there certain things that IBEW does better than CWA, or the other way around?
You people realize that Cingular Wireless LLC bought ATT to save their bacon right? Cingular Wireless kept the ATT name and logo because it was more widely known and Cingular was the new kid on the block. There has always been a debate on this and I personally feel that they should have ditched the ATT name and kept the name of the buying company. Ala Sprint is going away and being replaced with the T-Mobile namesake. Even still the company is Cingular Wireless LLC and all the FCC filings reflect this, just as with Verizon and GTE Mobile net.
This is why parts of ATT are not union for the same jobs and job functions and parts are. At ATT all new hires have to join the union, however this will change sometime about 2028 iirc. The fact is Cingular Wireless LLC is the reason ATT union labor has a better package then they did when they bought them It was Cingular Wireless that increased ATT newly bought divisions and elevated ATT up to Cingular Wireless benefits as ATT labor was subpar to Cingular's standards.
ATT's union labor can thank a non unionized company for buying them and increasing their benefits.
And your son can thank the Union and those that fought for and negotiated the "same exact benefits" he's has.
At ATT wireless all of the technicians have the same manger structures and the same director structures. They have the same work place evaluations too. A Wireless technician working say in Dallas that is unionized reports to the same office, the same manager and the same director as the non-union wireless technician. They both get the same exact beni packages too. Some wireless technicians are union some wireless technicians are not union. They both do the same exact work and work off of the same exact ticketing system. They drive the same kinds of vehicles and they both wear the ATT logo shirts. The are also on the same exactly on-call rotations. How do I know this? My son is an ATT cell tech and is not part of the union. So please don't sit there and say it can't be done, anything can be done. You just have to be willing to be open to change. It's apparent the union members at Verizon are narrow minded.
@ipg+17f9E0Wl: I’m in a Verizon union and often work with techs from VZ Wireless that are not.
However, just because we sometimes work side by side, we are not in the same group.
We don’t have the same supervisor, schedule, pay or benefits.
Yes, we do the same work together sometimes, but then they go off and do work that I don’t do, and vice versa.
If you and whoever you are referring to are in a union and don’t want to be, why on earth don’t you simply resign?
To say there is no choice makes no sense.
You sound clueless.
ATT does it. Half of the cell techs at ATT are union, the other half are not (legacy cingular wireless). They often times work side by side in the same cell site, doing the same job. So it can be done and is being done and anyone that says otherwise is clueless.
I agree with Post ID: @euy+17f9E0Wl I am a union member and I don't want to be. I would leave the union faster then you can say "outahere" if I had a choice.
Union membership is declining, unarguably true. Jobs at non union jobs in the industries like Amazon, warehousing, manufacturing are rising. Jobs that are “this is the pay, these are the conditions, take it or leave it.”
Decline in unions is not a good thing.