HBT was hit with a very nasty compliance email regarding 3-2 policy, did any other businesses get it?
HR is garbage but the language seemed to be a bit much. I wonder how long everyone will keep pretending all is well and that everyone’s happy. Thinking back I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone saying anything positive regarding Honeywell culture.
@jmtc
Since you are on a visa, maybe you should return home and reapply there. I am sure that you would be hired given your experience. Heck, the work you were doing is probably moving there and you can be a boss
Not only they took my job away but they're not responding to any of my emails, I am on a work visa and need HON's help with some urgent documentation after the termination. I can't get through to them using any helpline, or email IDs. I am stuck and in need of urgent help. If anyone can suggest a way to connect directly to HR help instead of the BS helpline number they've provided, I'd be grateful.
@eoxh+1phwB1Zr you should publicly post this (anonymously) on places like Glass Door dot com, so potential joiners can see this and get away before they are tricked
@eoxh+1phwB1Zr Sorry to hear this, they are using this as a tool to reduce numbers, we know here they are targeting individuals by monitoring them yet completely ignoring others.
It is sick as some of guys being targeted are not only grafters but talented too......their crime is being on a high pay grade or having integrity and challenging the daily ridiculous leadership decisions.
If you want to survive here you don't need ANY talent, skill or brains, just say 'yes sir' and follow orders no matter how stupid. Feck this place, I am out in March anyhow.....off to much greener pastures!!
I've been fired due to non-compliance with this BS 3+ policy. They wouldn't even let me explain myself. I had a death in the family among other emergencies. They don't give a sh-t about your personal life, guess all those midnight calls I took in other regions for the business were for nothing, corporate was nowhere to be seen or heard then!
I asked our specific regional HR manager, and they stated it was just a reminder of the Hybrid policy that everyone received, and not a disciplinary action. Which of course I wanted to say BS! So u sent it out to scare everyone?Im the only one in my department that actually reports to this building, because my team is scattered across the country, and in Mexico .. stupid!
@bxfp+1phwB1Zr Absolutely, always used to turn up for breakfast and leave by lunch for a round of golf.
it's called coffee badging... get with the program... for every stupid HR policy there are creative ways to push back. This is how employee participation and unintended consequences come together to solve stupid policy.
If you love 3-2, think about how much you’d love total flexibility. You act as though it’s 3-2 or 5 days in the office. But it could be no days in the office, ever.
New rule: Honeywell can only sell in towns where it has people. Oh wait, a physical presence isn’t needed to sell things. It is only needed to fake “collaboration” in the form of zoom calls with the person sitting next to you or in India.
Poster said-"Has HR ever clarified what the expectation is for weeks with holidays? Thanksgiving is coming up and the US has Thur and Fri off. Do people need to come into the office that Mon-Wed in order to meet the 3 day quota? There is too much ambiguity in this policy for something they are applying a great amount of effort to monitor and enforce."
Look, the folks that are violating this clearly know who they are. They are the ones being tapped(sent letters). If you are making an honest effort to work the 3 days in the office you committed to, basically they will leave you alone. Personally I love the 3/2 concept and hope I can make it work until I retire.
@8itv+1phwB1Zr have you ever known anything at HON to be clear or consistent? My HR person just said get manager approval to work remote and copy them on email in case they’re asked.
They might have changed it but I heard HR looks at from the viewpoint of a month. So, going with a month that has exactly four weeks/20 work days, they need to see at least 12 days in the office - they don’t care how you get to 12.
Has anyone at UOP gotten this email?
Has HR ever clarified what the expectation is for weeks with holidays? Thanksgiving is coming up and the US has Thur and Fri off. Do people need to come into the office that Mon-Wed in order to meet the 3 day quota? There is too much ambiguity in this policy for something they are applying a great amount of effort to monitor and enforce.
Fair point, if you have talent or competence you are thoroughly wasted at Honeywell.
There is no value for your value.
It is a company that is being intentionally stripped not developed, it has no need for 'expensive' high quality employees.
Just look around you and see the pitiful dregs that are your remaining colleagues, never has the message been so clear to leave if you value integrity, a future or a meaningful career.
You are just numbers, that is truth.
You people are hilarious! Honeywell owns you for 8 hours a day, every 2 weeks they tell you so on payday. If you don't like it, start your own company, then you can work where ever and whatever hours you want. I'm no corporate shill, I just read these postings and laugh at how valuable you think you are to Honeywell. They don't care about us, everyday you log in as a number, think about it! They can tell us where we work, read your contract, it say what facility you are based out of. They pay for space and want it occupied,so stop whining. If your job can be done outside the office than it can done in any country in the world.
@6dyj+1phwB1Zr Hahaha.......imagine anyone wanting to come back to 5hittysmell, you must be new!
Get back!!! Some people who were RIF might be happy to come in the office. Ask yourself why are you so special you don’t have to come into the office.
Only when my joke manager and clown director want to waste my time am I required in the office. The rest of the time I am only talking with people in another state or another country.
My other colleagues work for different business units, it is a complete waste of mine and Honeywell's resources for me to be there.
In fact my efficiency plummets when there due to the same problem as you guys, noisy colleagues, 'chatty time waster' colleagues, interfering managers and directors who try to offload their own work onto you, printers that don't work, toilets on the other side of the building, constantly failing IT, no stationary available, drive miles to get lunch yada, yada.
In the office this morning, man so many people feel the need to shout when in a teams meeting and using headphones.
Forcing people to come to the office when most calls are with people in another state and or country is just petty. Even when a call is with people in the same building 99% of them are teams calls because we love death by a 1000 meetings and there is never time in between calls to do anything.
Bollocks!
@4kdo+1phwB1Zr if they started enforcing 8 hours/day too, I’d resign and post the enforcement letter publicly. “Magnet for software talent”, LMFAO
This is insanity. Get medical exceptions!
I can tell you about our small team. Our manager and director told us that we should be in the office 5-6 hours. They have kids as well. Our came up when 1 guy was only coming in for 1 hour. And then no hours. Kinda surprised me we all sit together including the manager. He not only got the email everyone received but got a personal one from HR. that really told Mr they are more serious this time.
Does anyone have an idea if working less than the full 8 hours in the office during the 3 days will be considered “non compliance” and “insubordination”. Literally my whole Honeywell career since my kids have been school aged I have done drop off pick up of my kids and worked the couple additional hours I missed in the office from home and all managers have been fine with this. Now I’m questioning everything.
What specifically did it say? Curious... this is all going to come to a head in the coming months for us all.
@4nmz+1phwB1Zr you’re absolutely right, and despite VK saying “accountability” is one of the new corporate behaviors, I would bet my entire salary that there is not a single person that would accept responsibility or accountability for this gaffe
The floor where I'm sitting - Aero phoenix - is emptier than it has been for a month.
I wonder if folks got pi$$ed off and are calling BS on the insubordination message.
It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.
The more I think about the different approvals that had to be green lit for this to be sent out the more pi---d I feel.
C-suite, Legal, SBG leadership, HR (more the execution than anything else).
All it took was someone with ba--s to say that there are a million ways to do a better job at communicating than that aggressive and haughty pos email that was sent out
I got an idea let’s fu-k with people even though morale has never been lower, that will take us places
3+2 is OK, but recent trend is to use shared space, so you are expected to find some seat every morning, clean the place because usually you'll find garbage and remnants of previous occupant, then you restart few times before docking station and monitors catch up and you are ready to work. No own things around if possible. No drawers, no documents.. just bring your notebook and mouse. When you end, you again pack everything and leave. No friends or colleagues around, just different strangers from other teams every day...
Report anonymously to HR direct if your director or manager is not following policy :)
Do it, it will cause them well deserved grief.....unless they have only 1 or 2 reports then that could be awkward hahaha.
@3jfd+1phwB1Zr I’m a Director and got the same nasty-gram so yes we get the same id--tic treatment from HR
If HR setting such sh---y 3+2 or 4+1 policy, then make sure all directors level, senior directors, managers every single folks follow same policy, no one the exception. Including HR directors, VP etc. Otherwise don't let us catch you red handed at home
Imagine someone in corporate deciding that HON doesn’t actually hire competent adults who can make appropriate judgments about when they need to be in the office, and decided that they needed to start checking for attendance?
Got it in HCE. HR stated the standard line but there are policies where your manager can approve “temporary” remote work. My manager said they would approve any of my requests so it’s really just extra administrative hassle.
So they don’t monitor how long you’re in the building? Just that you went in at all right?
If it is really VPN hits then I’m out. I VPN every evening - even on my in office days. I’ve been doing this well before C19. They most likely go off hits on a connect on site router.
I was told by the person who monitors attendance that they base it off your laptop pinging off your assigned building. They said that, in theory, all you have to do is drive up next to the building, let the laptop connect to the network, and that will satisfy the requirement (on paper).
Exactly. As long as you don't do any work on your at home days, you won't be penalized. Meanwhile, the rest of us that login to the VPN to do work at home will be fired! In fact, the more work we do, the more likely to get fired.
If they want people in the office then turn off vpn entirely. Done.
Wait.. you need me to work at home? Why?
I purposely try to get in without badging in. Where I go in usually has doors open for various reasons and I always try to not badge in. I do anything that I can to mess up Honeywell's tracking. If they can actually do that. They make lots of threats, but rarely are able to follow up. Find me and lay me off please.