Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Coming from Sprint - when we upgraded from T1 to fiber backhaul, we avoided Verizon like the plague. It is very possible to have a wireless network w/o using the incumbent wireline provider.

"lol ....Without wireline network..there is No Wireless. 5g is only the end part."

But that wireline doesn't have to be owned by VZ, just as it isn't today in most states.

dont feed the troll! stop replying to this post!

PLEASE NAME POTENTIAL BUYERS.

lol ....Without wireline network..there is No Wireless. 5g is only the end part.

"You replaced someone when you were hired."

Well, yes and no. When a company is growing, they're hiring, when they're collapsing they are laying off. Verizon once had around 300,000 employees, soon they'll have less than a 100,000, so you might be replacing more than one employee.

@1krg ... good points there but, the Wireline is union and they can refuse call outs. The situation in some of the Wireline C.O. is the man power is so low that often a tech can leave his shift eat dinner and come back in for a call out. Gets old after a while and if the company is not willing to hire the workforce to cover 24x7 then the company certainly cannot expect their C.O.T's or System Techs to take every call out every time. When the company cares enough then they will hire more techs and until then it is what it is.

If the Wireless and Wireline side are merged these call outs and shifts will be 'by the rule' and I would expect the Wireless side to come under Union contract. Whether they join or not will depend on the State they live in, what with some being Right To Work States.

However, I really do not expect to see the two work forces merged due to Union/non-Union stances in the company. Wireless is strongly anti-Union but of course a merger could happen. Then I would expect the Wireless to become Union. I don't see the company letting that happen.

You are absolutely correct about these cuts. Too many times a squirrel eats into a fiber, up in the mountains and it takes all that you mentioned to find and fix that cut.

"Meanwhile, if you call any other telco they dispatch out like the postal service...where "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night" they dispatch and restore service as fast as possible...regardless if it's 2am on a holiday morning during a flood or tornado."

Not having VZ Wireline or VZ fiber as a POP in my area, I can not judge if VZ facility response time is slow or not. But what I do know is that just about most fiber outages if they are fiber cuts are usually 10 to 12 hour restoral time. Even slower with some fiber providers who delivers light to VZW cell towers. They have to find a tech, send them out, shoot an OTDR to locate the cut, find the cut, call out an excavating crew, get the digging crew on site with a splicing trailer, all while we have to keep calling, escalating, calling again, escalating again, until it's repaired and the light restored. The on call VZW cell tech doesn't get an option to pass on a call out. The NOC calls and you have to be on the job in 15 mins, even at 3:00 am Sunday morning. So if you have VZ Wireless and VZ Wireline start to merge functions with VZ Wireless execs maybe being placed in key roles I have to wonder if when calling in a VZ fiber outage ticket you will still get the "unable to find a tech to pick up the ticket" response. Just a rhetorical question.

Who is the buyer?

Also, there’s obviously far quicker restoration during an outage when it’s all in-house.

@1qze, not so certain that's going to be the end result. Currently, a good portion of the time when Wireless calls in to have somebody dispatch out on a Wireless circuit, all the get is "we still unable to find a technician that would pick up this ticket".

Meanwhile, if you call any other telco they dispatch out like the postal service...where "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night" they dispatch and restore service as fast as possible...regardless if it's 2am on a holiday morning during a flood or tornado.

Fiber has and will always be the business. Nothing else compares.

Agreed, iqze. Well said.

@1ams, my thought, right or wrong, and simply an opinion from a peon, is that the company gets a pretty good discount in areas in which we’re the one’s providing wireless with the fiber landline and routing it through our own C.O.s, rather than paying another company for the infrastructure and means of delivery.

Also, there’s obviously far quicker restoration during an outage when it’s all in-house.

If anything, get rid of the international wire line assets. Big metro rings all over the globe, some leased , some owned. That is a drain on resources and VES revenues are falling each quarter. Why keep this loser?

Of the many falsehoods on this post, one thing is legit. Vz will likely buy or lease fiber in the out of footprint areas to provide 5G. The out of footprint regions of the US is the growth area and it's more cost effective to lease then to build, at least in the short run, to make sure a market is profitable.

Hans? Hans is that you? Your irrational exuberance for all things 5G is kind of a dead giveaway.

I know that you hate being saddled with an extraordinarily large company that does everything BUT 5G at this point, but you've got to wait until 5G has actually proven its real-world dominance before you decide that it is time to dismantle revenue streams in the tens of billions of dollars.

Seriously though, you have to be the same troll who only last week decided that wireline could go away in two years because... 5G! You've clearly demonstrated that you have little-to-no knowlexge of how a telco actually works. You keep posting antagonistic 5G autofellatio messages. 5G actally IS good, but we've figured out that you are a totally incompetent cheerleader on the subject. Have you yet figured out that you've been made and your posts are obvious and droll?

With a couple of exceptions, this thread is one of the stupidest I've seen regarding 5G. There are so many so far off the mark & clueless, yet the posts are written as if they were coming from golden tablet of 5G. This is VZ future?

Don't feed the troll. It is likely the same knucklehead spewing the same ignorant nonsense over the last several years about this subject in various posts. This build out of 5G is going to require a sh-- ton more of fiber connections and physical locations to work as designed. Does anyone really believe there will be no telephone poles on the sides of Americas's streets 5,10, 20 maybe even 30 years from now? This person is delusional. Even if there where even the tiniest truth to his/her fantasy we will all be retired and paid in full before such a thing is even possible.

5g is a ethernet backhaul. Glass pipe.

First thing I learned as a cell tech was troubleshooting T1s. Not hard for the average engineer.

Now I know fiber optics.

You learned your job so can I or my son or daughter.

You replaced someone when you were hired.

We have a contract til aug 2023 so who cares...

Besides, i have been laying copper to feed 5g for the last 15 years.

"Don't care what part of the country, or call center you're in. VZ is going 5G and Wireline isn't in that future."

One of those Millennials that Verizon is so anxious to lay off "old" people, to hire. Uh... make a call from a landline, VoIP or a cell phone -- it goes to a Central Office to be routed. Central Offices are wireline. Without them you don't make phone calls.

5G (as does 4G) requires fiber to the microcell/macrocell location. Copper does not have the bandwidth so it will not cut it. But the fiber (if not VZW dark fiber) will be delivered by the "Local Exchange Carrier" (LEC) which could also be called a "Wireline" company. Cable TV companies play in this field too. The LECs currently being used include Century Link, Windstream, Charter, Mediacom, even local small Independent Telcos who have their own Co-operative Inter Exchange Carriers.

As far as 5G goes, due to the fact that they use using what they are billing as "Millimeter Wave" spectrum. It will need many, many, more micro-cells to equal the foot print of a 700 MHz 4G cell tower. These microcells could be placed on utility poles, street light poles, bill boards, church steeples, water tower tanks, modified flag poles, anywhere there is height, access to 240/120volt power, and of course...fiber.

Really ignorant comments starting with the OP. It is apparent that you don't have a clue on how 5G works and either you're looking to troll or you're just simply that dumb. Read up on 5G, it requires fiber which the company owns plenty of. They will not be selling wireline since it has plenty of that fiber in addition to the XO dark fiber and the OOF fiber we are currently laying out. Now be a good dummy and find a book and read up. If that is too hard for your reading level, do us all a favor and quit. Wireline is not going anywhere.

OP incorrect. VZ selling off residential wireline to be replaced with 5G. VZ wireline will be FTTB only.

To provide 5G to all the states and cities is a big undertaking ,verizon has alot of competition in this area,att,t,moblie,sprint,etc all the other smaller companies that will be putting out 5G,SO VERIZON CANNOT be saying oh we have the best network cause with 5G they are starting from the begining just like everyone esle,everybody else want to do 5G moblie first VZ is doing fixed 5G to the home first,IMO i think thats a mistake,they should work on moblie 5G first...fixed home might hurt them in the long run

If anyone saw the high level org chart that was released last month, they can attest to the fact that this is very much a wireless takeover of wireline. A large majority of top level positions went to wireless executives and it's that way one level down as well.

@tdi ...... um yes it does. Troll all you want but bottom line is wireless gets from cell to cell via Wireline fiber and copper. That fiber and copper may belong to other companies in other States but none the less it travels to the cell site via a Wireline facility.

I was pretty sure that fact had already been cleared up with the clueless wireless employees that thought the signal was tower to tower. You must be the last one to learn this.

It amazes me that people really think they know of what they say here on this site. 10% truth 90% BS.

The long and short of it is that Verizon is making heavy cuts on both sides. I think the VSP is designed to get rid of wireless more than wireline. Essentially they’re one and the same now anyway. The whole thing is being primed for sale. Both sides. Because One Verizon or something.

Fiber Vs Copper.

Um....5G doesn't require wireline circuits.

5g covers a much smaller radius range =if GHz bandwidth is used (vs 600 MHz) then 4g (hundreds of miles). You need to connect all those 5G networks together and the only way to do it is with wirelines. You will see more and more smaller towers go up as 5G progresses and all these small towers will need to be connected via wire.

No doubt wireless will be fine. Why do you think there have been the massive employee cuts over the last several years in the wireless side? Because for wireless to stand on its own it will have to lease back from the existing landline/wireline companies the facilities to get that 5G down the street a few blocks. When you lease everything you really don't need that many employees. Wireless is the new 'paper carrier'. And that is just 5G; what about 4G and 3G? Still going to use wireline facilities regardless of who owns the wireline. Could be ATT that Verizon leases from, could be CenturyLink or even the existing Verizon wireline if it is spun off.

See now, the issue is that wireless has been gutted so it will be profitable after it is sold off. Presently its profits are because its network was paid for by wireline. Once Wireless is gone from the fold the Wireline will continue to grow as a business sector and home sector providing services to all. Sure some homes will get 5G but how many? Comcast is eating Verizon's lunch in a lot of areas as they are aggressively drawing in dialtone and internet customers. Keep in mind how badly companies have lost on the 3-play package of DT/internet/TV. Most customers want multiple vendors for those features.

Wireline will do even better once the wireless side is sold off.

Umm...how will wireless get 5g signal in all the states that have no Verizon landline....which last time I looked was most states, do you think we are only going to have 5g in areas that have Verizon landline.......if landline goes away wireless.will be fine!

It is looking like very isn’t in that future.

#trollrumor .... OK and when will this happen? And...please explain to us how the company will be broken up and how wireless will manage to get their 5G signal to the world?

Can't wait to see how it happens. Maybe the company will sell off the Wireless side to someone like Google or maybe spin wireless off and hope it can stand on its own. Gonna be tough since Wireline has been paying for the wireless infrastructure for years now.

Maybe Verizon will finally get competitive and offer better deals to the user. You know...stop charging for that device fee per connection like customers should be proud to pay more for less. We will see.

Trying to remember who actually owns the bandwidth license also. It will come to me. Anyway it will be interesting as I am sure Hans has a plan. Will be even more interesting to see how Wireless, on their own, manages to pay for all those micro-cells that it will take to burn that 5G signal 3 blocks down the street. Let us hope there are no avenues with trees.

It took you this long to figure that out??

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