Manager told us no 1/2 day pto (looks bad) and if we cancel a PTO day (even if we haven’t taken it yet) we need to let them know why. Oh yeah PTO days, wants to know what we are doing and why we are taking it. Do I call HR or this allowed?
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@ks not getting all weird on them. Just stopping the conversation. They have no business reason to know and it’s called personal information because it’s, well, personal. I can be mking apple pie and that’s not junk that needs hiding but it’s not something i care to discuss in a business environment and that’s my right… since it has nothing to do with my job.
PTO is an earned benefit and you don’t have to justify that your time is “worthy” of taking time off.
Don’t be one of those je-k managers who thinks that prying into personal info is just “showing interest”.
If they ask why you are taking off say it is to spend time with their spouse. If you have to cancel a day say their spouse thinks they are suspious. I would also continue to schedule half days because you can and it is allowed and if it looks bad that is because it is bad
Oh I’m well aware how tough managers have it thanks to HR. That’s why I’m saying it’s a terrible move to make their lives even harder by getting all weird about them asking you questions on what you might do during your PTO.
Jokes on them. Shart already fired all my friends and I couldn't care less about promotions. I'm doing my job and doing it at a high level, so that when my number is up I get my severance. Not too concerned and other more trivial things.
Company needs to settle down bad managers first and Dina Rojas is one of them :-)
@j7 you must not be a manager. there are all sorts of bright lines about what you can and cannot ask someone about their personal circumstances. someone asking why you are or aren't taking PTO is completely out of line, and the employee doesn't have to be "hiding junk" to answer that way.
Fantastic career advice here - let’s make our manager’s life very uncomfortable and try to make it look like we have some major junk outside of work to hide. Great way to win friends and get promoted.
@hp Agree. Also there are many people who work during their half-PTO and take half days periodically solely to avoid the time/hassle/distraction of RTO. It would be mo--nic to disallow this since the company benefits from all that free work. I took a half-PTO day this week because traffic was so bad one day I couldn't get to my building and had to turn back and go home. Still worked 10 hours from home. If I want to use my PTO this way that should be fine. People who take half days for real (and don't work during those 4 hours) should of course still be allowed to do that too. But if too many people take half days in a way that causes coverage issues for their teams or violates their manager's instructions, WF might change the policy and ruin things for everyone. The best thing OP could do is find another role with a different manager since their current one is clearly a di-khead.
@hm Yeah but if enough people complain about things like this, the result might ultimately be a policy change to say PTO half days no longer count as a full RTO day. That would su-k.
the answer to the question "why are you cancelling PTO" is: "that involves personal matters and information that aren't appropriate for me to discuss in the workplace"
Done.
And if they keep pressing: "why do you keep asking me to reveal personal information?"
And if they keep going: "You're making me very uncomfortable continuing to ask me for personal information."
And if they keep going - open an ER case. the manager is flat out wrong.
If this is true, no it's not allowed. Report them. Nothing will happen right away, but it's good to get the ball rolling and the more people that do, the better chance there might be a change at some point.
Is this manager in Iselin? I overheard a manager here in Iselin, talking to their group as if they were children.
@d4 per policy, Floating Holiday needs to be 8 hours and cannot be split. Read the book
We were also told but it was not for PTO but for floating holidays, not allowed to half them off.
if the don't want us to take half day pto then either change the rule for exempt to where it's a full day or nothing or change the in office expectation to where if you take half day you still need to be in office 4 hours. shouldn't be too hard to add in to their calculation.
This organization can run much more effectively with far fewer so called managers.
@OP
Yo have a pathetic manager. You already have the answer to these questions.
Ask d-mb questions, get d-mb answers. I've been here a long time and never asked someone why they need to take PTO. If you have, you're doing it wrong. If "the work" means that an employee's request could be problematic, you just say some version of "task soandso for the project is that day, can you reschedule?" You don't need to delve into their personal business, at all. A question like that gives them the opportunity to share if they want to, but they are under no obligation to do so.
Wonderful career advice here. Man I’m so sick of lazy, frivolous people.
...and since this is a minefield of possible legal issues and counter to policy, they'll tell the manager to stand the F down. Managers are employees also. HR isn't there to protect them either. It's all about the liability.
Tell your Manager to get a life. Sounds like a manager who thinks whatever he/she says goes. I bet he/she acts like a big shot but in reality is managing P3s
Y'all know HR is not our Friend, right? They are there to protect the business from the workers and not the other way around.
The head of HR has told an executive (compliance) who tried to pull that with half days and wanted them not to count that she would be breaking the law. It’s policy and it’s allowed.
@OP that's ridiculous but unfortunately nothing you can do. if your manager wants to be an a-hole, sadly that's his choice.
Make sh-t up when asked. I’m giving my turtle a haircut. I’m going on an ayhuasca retreat with my Teamsters friends. I’m going to binge watch all the Minions movies again.
@OP HR publishes policy / guideline but always add a disclaimer at end, follow your business line guidance if there is one. everyone gets confused. Manager could get instruction from higher level manager and no one has clue whether it's policy requirement or just some manager in the chain has own opinion.
You can always call HR but don't expect a good answer.
1/2 PTO counting as a full day is in the handbook and what you do on your time off and how you use your PTO is none of his business.
Not sure if this is even a serious question.
Not sure about everyone else, but I use all my PTO days going to the "doctor or dentist". They ask for details, just say "that's personal information". They keep pressing, call HR.