Thread regarding Ford layoffs

Thought experiment: how could the money wasted on FNV4 been better spent?

Does anyone ever think about what Ford could have bought with their billion dollars instead of a failed E/E architecture? How many EV and ADAS startups have come and gone in the last few years that might have had some IP that could have formed the basis of a new modern vehicle architecture? Instead we get the skunk works team which must feel like a big F-you to the teams working on FNVx.

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@cc+1jv1r0kde it’s all good Uncle Sam. I won’t work a job again. No taxation unless representation!!!

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Post ID: @d7+1jv1r0kde

Yes, I can see that you are. And its sad. Reading these posts, how difficult it is now working at these companies that used to be the gold standard. Places that you aspired to work at, and that you could see yourself there for your entire career. But that is a very rare thing these days, spending it at one place. Many of these places of business must answer now to the shareholders, where honestly, they do not care about the people doing the work, but simply the stock price. But they also must understand, its the people who are the lifeblood, and if they are not happy, and do not preform, the stock may very well suffer. And as I've said before, the C suite answers to the board, and the board answers to the shareholders. For private companies its different. Public companies, those managers that seem to be making d-mb decisions are typically directed by that board...if they don't, then they will and can be replaced. Retirement in 1,348 days from today.

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Post ID: @cc+1jv1r0kde

@bp+1jv1r0kde I would say, like an adult, I’m disappointed— not upset.

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Post ID: @bq+1jv1r0kde

you're not angry are you?

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Post ID: @bp+1jv1r0kde

@bj+1jv1r0kde precisely this is why I as an unqualified individual falsify reports to justify cleaning house of those who may call me out on my bullsh-t. Not just my bullsh-t but my cabal of bullsh-tters. Thankfully, we were here first. We can’t let people get credit or get paid fairly or try to set boundaries. they must deliver by Monday morning or they are toxic to the environment. They are not allowed days off. People who are toxic to the environment choose family over career. We can’t let this plague continue and so we must make sure we remove such vile toxic waste. We should also make sure that they don’t question seniors or authority. A good way to identify is when someone tries to set boundaries which helps protect their time to deliver without toxicity and then when their higher up calls them arrogant and blames them for reporting an adjacent senior who is causing problems. Those that report and are arrogant blaming adjacent seniors are toxic. we need people that get with the program.
What our intellectual leadership such as Doug field has cascaded down the ranks. We know better than talent, if they think otherwise… they are super toxic and need to go for the greater good

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Post ID: @bn+1jv1r0kde

How about designing a 5.0l pushrod v8. Coyote is a very expensive engine. Probably at least 1000 dollars an engine lower cost for the F150. Almost all new Ford lines are CNCs and can be repurposed with new fixtures and gauging. They most likely have CNCs sitting in storage and floor space is not an issue at all. Cleveland and Lima engine plant have plenty of room to install the equipment.

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Post ID: @bm+1jv1r0kde

Cleaning house also allows to build a better more cohesive team. Sure not always, but it can help. I've done that before. Sometimes you have to get rid of people that may be talented but are toxic to the environment. Yes I agree, its subjective.

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Post ID: @bj+1jv1r0kde

On cleaning house. On the right people. On not discriminating against talent to keep them weak while you empower everyone around them to sabotage.

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Post ID: @bh+1jv1r0kde

@bf+1jv1r0kde exactly at least it was billions not trillions! RIGGGGGGHT? But I thought you can’t fail with billions? You got a billion dollars. How could you lose?

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Post ID: @b0+1jv1r0kde

Spot on! DF said it was beneficial to find that FNV4 was not going to deliver in time to save the company money. In the millions if not billions. That is a win in anyone's book.

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Post ID: @bf+1jv1r0kde

Door locks...sure. One of many things that can be improved. Problem is, and it is THE problem, it takes years to get anything from concept to actually building it. Why? Its expected to work every time, all the time, flawlessly. So it has to be prototyped, tested and tested more under all conditions. That takes money. And time. And then 'they' ask, what is the real ROI? Is it a problem that really needs to be solved? Maybe 10% might say yes, but then it has to be decided...do we fold this in on the 2027 models or wait,..

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@b5+1jv1r0kde

Tesla and Lucid for sure qualify. Anyone really want to argue with that, good luck.

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Post ID: @ba+1jv1r0kde

Hire engineers who can design door locks that work to keep intruders out of vehicles and we could eliminate the entire 300 people in the Safety and Security group.

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Post ID: @b9+1jv1r0kde

down voting the post...wow. Well you know, it takes more than SW engineers to build a car, the hardware team is just as important. Then lets add in the ME's. It take a team. Its not about building a better car, its about innovation. You folks complaining about the waste of money, crying about losing your job? You are old school...a dinosaur. Why is America losing its edge? Because people like you are preventing it from moving forward. I'm sue there was people griping when we went to fuel injection instead of carburetors. It was a step forward. Then getting rid of points and condensers...electronics began to make major inroads on both safety and operation. Made it more complicated. But made it also more efficient. Jobs were lost...or moved to support the new innovations. But we moved forward making things better. Wiring harnesses...hundreds of wires...replaced with Ethernet or optical. Can't tell me that's better and more efficient? Unless you are they guy building those. Just stop standing still and embrace the innovations. Support the company...ask what you can do to help with this transformation or else you will be left behind, along with your company.

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Post ID: @b8+1jv1r0kde

@b5+1jv1r0kde treat home talent like sh-t then expect sh-t!!

Talent can’t work with SH-T

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Post ID: @b6+1jv1r0kde

@aw+1jv1r0kde, bunch SWE's in California can somehow build a better car

Tesla, Rivian, Lucid

enough examples?

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Post ID: @b5+1jv1r0kde

@b0+1jv1r0kde you are a foolish engineer

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Post ID: @b4+1jv1r0kde

OK but....how does innovation occur? Just happens by magic? No, companies innovate to try and come up with a better method, a new architecture, something...innovative. They do not always work out. I've worked at several companies where they threw money at something for years, and then....stopped. It wasn't getting the payback, or technology changed or (fill in the blank). As an engineer, I never become emotionally attached to the project because it can be cancelled at anytime. So Ford thought this might be the new method to build...like the IIoT of cars in a sense with a distributed architecture. They learned from it, and it may take a new form or branch from what was learned. How many times did Edison fail? Yea...so instead of griping about it, just think of what it did create.

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Post ID: @b0+1jv1r0kde

Ford could have funded another useless train station project to “bring Detroit back” with that money!

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Post ID: @ay+1jv1r0kde

The skunkworks team is complete nonsense.

This is just Doug thinking that a bunch SWE's in California can somehow build a better car than engineers with actual experience building cars.

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