How's the cloud migration going so far?
Barely any workloads have been migrated, and the platforms team's "paved road" is a minefield, and it's substantially more expensive than anyone estimated, and only getting more expensive.
Now, this week, some Cloud product folks are also impacted.
Will WF ever make it to Cloud?
Do I care if I am going to laid off. Baby I milk this cow as much as I can
PCF/Tanzu is being replaced with OpenShift.
This cloud migration thread is eye-opening—WFC’s IT is in rough shape. “Barely any workloads” moved, a “minefield” path, and costs soaring (@OP) point to no real strategy, just like @ar said—teams have been led down a “dark rabbit hole” for 3+ years with constant changes in direction. Using both PCF and OpenShift (@fw) with no clear plan feels like “wagile” all over again—Agile in name, chaos in reality (@ft). I heard from a former WFC dev (laid off in 2021) who migrated an early .NET web-spreadsheet app to the cloud—upgrading to .NET 6, reverse-engineering and combining dual ERFs to one, swapping personal caches for Redis, and fixing JavaScript because the Angular WF “unified” library team lagged. They also set up a CI pipeline (GitHub, Jenkins). Did the CI team go down a rabbit hole?
Leadership’s out of touch—@ft calls out “pager-era execs” from the mainframe days who think “data just floats” to the cloud, while @ds says SB and team blundered by underestimating cloud costs at scale, expecting to cut staff but pivoting to on-prem OpenShift to save face. Yet another PAAS?
Add to that Angular UI messes—WFC’s 2022 banking app update saw its app store rating drop from 3.87 to 3.27 due to constant UI issues like poor ease of use, frustrating customers and likely devs too. Yes there are objective review in tech-land…. Is this the result of customer-facing apps being migrated to the cloud?
A new thread (“Why top people are walking away,” recent) says high performers are leaving over this—toxic managers, blame games, and “wagile” messes. That fosters fear and blame, making it tough to thrive. The Lead Software Engineer job (recent, Charlotte) wants PCF, Kubernetes, “Agile experience,” and Angular skills but no clear cloud plan, just “migration goals.” More “wagile” fluff setting Angular devs up to fail? X buzz says Bridget Engle, WFC’s new CIO from Truist, if leading this, promoting skepticism—some call it “BNY Mellon 2.0” with more cuts coming. Will Engle and EFT’s “upcoming changes” (another thread) fix this cloud mess, or add more chaos? So what is the vibe—are top coders bailing over this “cloudy” leadership (@ax)?
@ds I saw some Charlotte engineering job posts looking for pivotal cloud foundary (PCF) https://www.wellsfargojobs.com/en/jobs/r-446017/lead-software-engineer/ Isn't PCF another and different PAAS than OpenShift? Why both?
They have quite a few programs in the cloud already but if it was cr-ppy code and cr-ppy systems on prem then it's the same in the cloud you may not notice the difference up front but if it's in the cloud it has a different URL then what you're used to seeing from an internal application.
There is no game plan for the cloud it's a dumpster fire of burning baby diapers the only reason why it's like this is because they took the same approach with agile.... They hired people with experience and when those people spoke up about how not to do it they were removed out of the conversations and then they were eventually let go of.
The cloud is a new man's game and unfortunately many of the people driving the cloud project are people who were shall we say experts back when pagers were the standard way of doing business while having corded phones and other technologies as such.
These people think the cloud is a object in the sky and that the data just miraculously floats up there.
The conversations and meetings are just hilarious to listen to because internally all you have to do is go to a plural site training video and then all the sudden you're qualified to do the cloud.
For actions that are in the cloud tier 1 and tier 2 support have gone out the window as well the blame game just keeps getting floated around and everything keeps failing.
Nothing (dependencies) - is ready for OpenShift, but they want it yesterday, fools.
There is a reason why there is a new push to migrate apps to OpenShift on-premises.
Some workloads will be in the cloud. Most will remain on-premises. Nothing like the claim a few years ago that by 2030 we’d be mostly in the cloud.
Cloud is cheaper for startups where they don’t have to invest in data centers and infrastructure. It isn’t cheaper for large corporations that have a high number of workloads that cannot move to the cloud and have to maintain infrastructure anyway.
The incompetent execs thought they could just move to the cloud and eliminate most of the infrastructure people. Now they are realizing that it isn’t a cheap as they thought it would be. So in order to save their arses (Brady), they’ll put low hanging fruit in the cloud and refocus towards on-prem containerization.
Cloud around here is shall I say, rather cloudy. IT will remain continued cloudy until a break in the current weather patterns some time during the next waning gibbous of the nebulous drift we call leadership.
Are they waiting to have AI migrate the spaghetti, barely tested, web-spreadsheet apps to the cloud? TK (or is it Bridget?) to the rescue!
We've been told to have our apps ready for the cloud for 3+ years now and we are constantly led down some dark rabbit hole only to be told, "oh you need to now be following this path." They HAVE NO strategy is their first damn problem! And they put TK in charge of generative AI and she can barely spell it!!