Are all LOBs office only?
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The people that barely row the boat are the managers above the first line. They get paid a boatload of cash for doing nothing and having no direct reports. The best and brightest have mostly left for better opportunities and pay. I got stuck at the edge of the chasm between band 3 and band 4. I was told that it would take 3 more years to reach the lofty heights of being a lead engineer. So, I left and got a lead engineer job at a competitor. Honeywell is bleeding talent like Julius Caesar on the floor of the Roman Senate because of all the Golums in management. Since I left if March, 45 different recruiters have contacted me about going back to Honeywell for at least a lead engineer position. If I wasn't good enough to promote while I was there, I'm not good enough to promote because I left. Now, my talents are helping my new company outcompete Honeywell. That's what happens when you treat you people like garbage. You train and motivate them to work for a competitor and shoot yourself in the foot. That's why Honeywell continues to lose their people and business to competitors.
Anyone considering a “full time remote” position should remember that HON can and will yank that the second they think they can get away with it. Telling employees who were hired in on the basis of being a remote position were told they had to move or loose their job. That’s when HON lost 90% of their engineering talent. The other 10% will retire soon.
It would be stupid if they did cancel it. So they probably will. Aero engineering sites have been reduced to basic core sites. They can't hire engineers that want to move to those towns. Some job postings are now listed as full time remote. There new hires can work from home full time while the existing workforce has to due the hybrid thing.
Easier to excuse being away from PC from in the office. IYKTYK
They ended the use your brain policy.
it's id--tic and makes no sense - so yep all back fulltime is on the way.
Exemptions will be very limited apparently as 6/7 hr commute is fine on the off chance you might bump into someone for a chat in the corridor.
future shaping my backside
The majority of my team under the VP didn’t do this before the official hybrid schedule, and won’t after. It simply makes no sense for a globally dispersed team providing 24 hour a day services.
A 100% return to office with hot desk, open seating is a recipe for disaster. I have no problem going back 5 days a week but I will be looking for a new job should that come to pass with current office set up.
@mcf+1kim94rd - this is why 100% in office is returning BECAUSE of id--tic leadership. DA has a hard on for the industrial age assembly line factor type bullsh!t.
@exi+1kim94rd - the team I used work with were in technology, so 0% of our job needed to be anywhere near an office. we are on separate continents for the most part, they threatened our top performer and knowledge holder with termination and they up and left, then so did the rest of us. Honeysuck won't do anything to retain what they have, it's all by design. I know we were making pretty good money comparatively so it could have been an ego thing from the manager in one of those off shore locations. all I can say is f**k em and forget em.
I can do 80% of my work from home without issue in today's world. However, the 20% involves physically working with equipment and hardware. This is the best part of my job. I have been in at least 30% during the whole Covid thing due to this. I really don't see why this can't be continued. I enjoy interacting with my coworkers and see it vital to team building, but it doesn't need to be face to face all of the time.
I intend to enforce WFH myself and if Honeywell has a problem, then they can do what they want. I really don't care at this point. Furlough me, cut my pay, restrict my unlimited vacation, force more unpaid overtime, I really don't care. One day I won't show up. I really don't want to hurt my boss and coworkers, that I value so highly, but if push comes to shove, I've got to look out for myself. Honeywell would be better off just closing down or selling off SPS as soon as possible. Our customers are quickly learning that Honeywell can't be trusted to keep their best interests in heart. Its all about executive compensation and nothing else!
Why is JW still with Honeywell? He needs to go!
They should, or start cutting the people that barely row the boat.
Agree that 100% on-site will return in 2023.
I just want to see it applied to directors and managers first. Once they get 100% compliance from people leaders then extend the policy to their staff.
While at Honeywell, over 2/3 of the people I collaborated with weren't even in the same hemisphere. COVID proved that we don't need to be in the office to perform well. The idea that everyone needs to be in the office is an antiquated 20th Century idea from the e-suite for those that need to justify their paychecks in management. If you don't trust your people to work remote, you don't trust them in the office. Besides, the Deer Valley facility is gray, moldy, stinks, and feels like an Eastern Block gulag. No team morale will be built in a pesthole like that. I'm now at Boeing where the VP just told us that we're not ever going back to the relic days of always being in the office. You can't tap the same talent pool and your can't compete with your peers when you do the Honeywell model. And that's why Honeywell is becoming less and less relavent, while hemmhoraging talent.
In Europe we work still mainly from home. I am in sales (hbt) and visit app 1 customer per week. Was never do easy to make money.
@OP+1kim94rd
I get your point as I am productive at home and work a bit longer (Not nearly 10 times more effective) but I have 2 teammates that we can hardly ever get hold of.
Yes, the manager should address those individuals but everyone will pay the price.
I actually think that this is just a way to reduce headcount without severance. Sure seems like a precursor to divestitures etc.
there are many people who don't have teammates at the site they sit at or do not collaborate with the sites they sit at - this means that going into the office after so much time away from that environment has turned the office space into a giant distraction because everyone else who "collaborates" (and I use this term loosely, as it's mostly just shooting the sh*t and not working) around us just makes a ton of noise.
I'm personally 10x more productive at home and end up working more hours willingly. When I'm forced to work on site, they get the bare minimum.
Some folks have relocated during the past couple years, asking them to RTO will simply lead to more resignations
I don’t understand why people suddenly don’t want to return. Pre 2020 this level of ‘work from home’ didn’t exist and I get how so many jobs need interaction for team morale etc. it’s not the end of the world going back to the office you worked in happily (or not so happily but accepted) pre Covid.
FYI Honeywell is the worst company I e ever worked for and I have not a single good thing to say about them but the work from home thing is weird. I get some jobs actually don’t matter where you are but the vast majority produce better results in the office from simple and efficient team work.
2023 full back to work policy - 5 days a eeek!- coming for all US sites. Just to make you winter all the more miserable!
No, we are all hybrid as of now. It might change in the future