As in, being over employed i.e having 2 full time jobs while being at Ford.
I have no faith that i wont be affected in September and don't want to be thrown out to the horrible job market
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@hil+1nrVo25Y "Remind me again why we need all the LLx ?"
The LL6s are the most useful of the manager levels, and are good for only one thing... signing the hours.
@OP. @ivq+1nrVo25Y, @dft+1nrVo25Y, and partially @ywx+1nrVo25Y, are right. You can more than one job, but it is not ethical to have them both during the same hours. You may not care to burn the bridges at Ford, but you want to keep your employment in the new company.
Ethics and morals are at play here. It would be wrong to do what you are speaking of, not that Ford is a good company, they are ethically horrid, but don't lower yourself to their level, keep your dignity, get another job while you can, and walk out with your dignity intact.
@pir those meetings are rare. Most meetings are PM / scrum leader lead with practically no value. Instead everyone could just take 2 minutes and update the spreadsheet / project plan with their status. But nope 1 hour a day to listen to someone go thru each task and ask if there is a status change. Heck the LL3 attends to listen into the useless meetings with 85 attendees. And since the LL3 attends, LL4s attend, LL5s attend, LL6s attend and so people need to create face-time opportunities and drama.
One of these mo--nic daily hour long meetings only 2 people working on a simple task which has blown up into a 50 member 1 year project team all claiming to be doing work. The 2 people being annoyed about the situation are just waiting to see how it all plays out as they can do their tasks in under an hour.
The only formal meetings in our area where people need to prepare present materials are leadership meetings. These the leaders spend an entire week creating and massaging presentations (which are usually are more fiction than fact) and then the next level of leadership combines and massages all the presentations they received and presents to the next level and so on.
The real work in our area is done by coworkers casually calling/emailing each other and sorting it out. Remind me again why we need all the LLx ?
Anything is possible as long as you don't get caught!
I wouldn't talk about that too much. Your group and yourself will be the next target.
Su-ks to be on your team and in your role.
Most of us are in role and on teams where we really don't have to speak up in meetings. And the rare times we do & encounter a conflict, we just make an excuse to get out of the least important meeting.
"Multiple Webex simple. " I have no idea what you do at Ford. The teams that I am on are required to present material in the meetings and answer detailed questions. For the material presented, it can take hours to prepare and can take up most of the meeting time.
Going to a WebEx meeting is not like sitting in a freshmen High School classroom on social studies.
"Ford explicitly forbids any extra-Ford work on company time."
Bwhahahaha!! In my department, you get 100% job protection and even a m-plate test vehicle (and I dont mean low rent work vehicles) to conduct your personal business money making venture for most of your Ford work day. Do Ford business you ask? LOL, only very little just to keep your LL6-LL4 smoke screened. Free gas, free insurance, free! You can haul whatever you want for your side hustle all the while telling inept management you are "visiting a supplier".
And yes, HR knows and does nothing (they are useless). Vehicle control knows and does nothing (they fear retaliation). And the few management that does know also fear retaliation and/or are in on the scam.
Yo supervisor @wcz+1nrVo25Y it is so simple.
Multiple Webex simple. You don’t use webcam, you are on mute, you record both meetings. If you hear your name unmute and answer/ask for clarification. It’s no different than riding your peloton during Webex meetings/driving your car/shopping at Home Depot/sitting on your deck knocking back a few. All of which are frequent occurrences.
LinkedIn - there is no rule that you must have a LinkedIn account or have it publicly viewable.
RTO a barrier. LMAO. It doesn’t matter where you are sitting. Thanks for the cr-ppy accommodations though.
Supervisors are just jealous as they have no marketable skills.
Ford lied to workers, why should workers not do the same? What goes around comes around. The inept supervisors should address the 80% loafers on their staff instead of complaining about the competent hard working 20% who wised up and instead of carrying the entire teams workload by working 80 hour weeks at Ford now do 40 for Ford and 40 for another company. Fair is Fair. S-ck it. Now go address your buddies who have been running their side businesses from their cubes for decades and doing zero work for Ford.
The salaried ranks at Ford, especially its engineers, are primarily from communist or authoritarian countries, so it will be interesting to see if they bring that culture to Ford.
Salaries employees will never unionize at Ford. The salaried ranks are primarily conservatives who are vehemently opposed to unions.
Ford does unethical stuff and lies all the time to its employees, so that means nothing.
Can be done.
Smart people do that.
With no faith in this management its a wise thing to do
Ford explicitly forbids any extra-Ford work on company time. So whatever you do outside your 8 Ford hours is your business. But don't do it on Ford time or you'll risk immediate termination. There's no way to do 80 hours a week in 40 hours. Besides, this is unethical and you'd be lying to both companies. You wanna get paid for 80 hours from 2 jobs, work 80 non-synchronous hours.
Ford used to be one of the better places to work.
I’ve been around a while, not quite to retirement age (and not ready to retire even if I was).
I’ve heard a lot of stories from people older than me through the years about the nasty things employers have done to fire people. (Henry Ford himself was a tyrant.)
I assure you, NOTHING you read here is new.
For many decades, Ford was deathly afraid that their salaried employees would unionize. That kept the company civilized. But now they are not afraid. They know that they can move their engineering to a LCC or they can bring the LCEs to the U.S.
That’s government’s fault. They are doing NOTHING to stop this.
Ford has become just like all the other companies. You’ve seen the movie Office Space?
I don't know how to break this to you.. but other companies are laying off also. Before working at Ford I have been to other OEMs and one supplier. Ford is one of the better places to work. As for another job, I think the only option is going into a Trade, less money but there is less stress and more stability.
Good Luck
Sounds d-mb and impractical. How you gonna handle two simultaneously remote WebEx meetings? You going to have two separate LinkedIn’s? How would mandated RTO work ?
Wake up already.
Signed,
Your supervisor
There’s the fair act labor choice clause in the states employment documents that should allow one to hold multiple jobs within the same employer or spread across multiple employers. Typically, the salary calculations would be handled under the same clause that always holds precedent for the first (main) employer. If you have specific questions please refer to the states employment code easily found online.
It's not illegal, but you could be fired if caught.
There's nothing against moolighting or getting a side hustle (in a non-competitive area).
No. The IT people will find out and you will be fired.