Thread regarding Target Corp. layoffs

Why are so many people being placed on a PIP? Or are they just more open about what is going on?


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Post ID: @OP+1kxv6hfsk

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If they give the workers a heads up on who is underperforming, just send a mass email to the WFH crowd that is threatening to leave.

Tell them to move on, after all, a company will not notice the absence of a non working worker.

They can go find another job with their high impression of themselves thinking walking kids to bus stops is an important cog in the machine of buisness.

Regards! Heh...heh

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Post ID: @yp+1kxv6hfsk

PIPs are simply a way to hyper-document imputed job-performance shortcomings so the company can justify terminating you from your job. Of course, they will pretend to shed tears if you resign during the process, but the idea is to separate you from your job while being able to document that you didn't meet their job performance requirements.

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Post ID: @yj+1kxv6hfsk

Gather round kids and I’ll give you some advice. If you get a PIP, have a physician diagnose you with anxiety. The physician then sends an FMLA form to HR. You will suddenly feel the heat taken off. FMLA doesn’t mean you take a LOA. It means you have a medical condition that needs to be taken into consideration. Your welcome.

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Post ID: @rn+1kxv6hfsk

@a8 For sure. And an exceptional ethical leader should be able to give warnings as to their TM's lower-than-average performance and give them a heads-up that they need to up their game. Coaching is one way. Transparency is key here. But if it comes out of nowhere despite having above average performance then something else may be up. Time to use that PIP as a paid interview period.

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Post ID: @qa+1kxv6hfsk

@jd The reason a5 made a speculation about "protected groups" is because if the person is intentionally being managed or pushed out for reasons NOT having anything to do with performance, they will use a PIP in order for that person over 50 (for ex.) to not be able to have any legal recourse to claim they were pushed out due to being older or obsolete. The company can cover their butts by saying "see, it was about performance". And usually these PIPs are structured in a way so that they are purely subjective with no actual metrics that are measurable, and sometimes they just come out of nowhere.

Of course many people are pushed out who don't belong to a protected class, but when you do belong to one, the PIP makes legal's case stronger that it had nothing to do with discrimination.

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Post ID: @q9+1kxv6hfsk

@m4 "They would much rather coach a person first and if that doesn't work, then try and move them to another team. PIP is always last resort".

Yes, IF that manager truly values his TM and sees the potential for them to improve - especially if they have gone astray for whatever reasons, and if they seem redeemable. BUT many a times, PIPs are also used for nefarious reasons not having anything to do with performance - especially if that TM has over performed in past reviews. Just type in PIP into a Linkedin search; and you will see how often PIPs are used in this manner.

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Post ID: @q8+1kxv6hfsk

The response above that mentions CYA (cover your a**) from legal team is extremely relevant. And just an FYI: in PIP Target will save on severence which they will have to pay in layoffs. I believe HR uses that cost savings as a metric for themselves...

And please Google how to protect your self if you are unfairly pushed in this situation. It will help a lot.

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Post ID: @pf+1kxv6hfsk

No manager wants to PIP. It is an insane amount of work for the manager to run a PIP on someone. They would much rather coach a person first and if that doesn't work, then try and move them to another team. PIP is always last resort, every manager i know would do everything possible to not start the PIP process if they can help it.

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Post ID: @m4+1kxv6hfsk

I'm looking to join but I come from a company that also does PIP; however, it is really rare anyone would ever get put on PIP even if they were under performing. If anything, they would just be laid off during the annual layoffs. Does Target often put folks on PIP?

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Post ID: @k1+1kxv6hfsk

@eh This is standard practice for any person they want removed. HRs entire job is CYA. Why do you need to make it about protected groups? It's how everyone is let go.

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Post ID: @jd+1kxv6hfsk

@a5 Not to start any conspiracies here (but maybe I am) but I also have learned that it's HR's way of eliminating people belonging to "protected groups" (over 50, POC, women, disabled, veterans, etc) if they are being managed or pushed out and their leader has determined they are no longer an asset to the team (even if they are over-performers) and the legal "CYA" is putting that person/s on PIPs in order for that employee not to be able to pursue any legal action against the company. I am NOT declaring that this is what TGT is or has done in the past, but a simple Google search shows that it is a commonly used tactic by corporations to eliminate people without having to pay them severance, and make their dismissal about "performance".

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Post ID: @eh+1kxv6hfsk

@OP What makes you think many are being placed on PIPs? Have some coworkers confided in you about them being placed on one?

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Post ID: @dw+1kxv6hfsk

I haven’t heard anything about PIPs, and we certainly have a few under-performers on our teams.

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Post ID: @a8+1kxv6hfsk

It’s the best way to thin the herd without having a reduction in workforce.

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Post ID: @a5+1kxv6hfsk

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