Ford have started to cut costs by eliminating useless employees, they are essentially laying off workers who are deemed to be not contributing enough value to the company, often in an effort to reduce expenses. I have seen so many contract employees who are no longer at the plant. There were no announcements whatsoever. I am guessing the $9 billion loan is gone.
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Let the new year start with eliminating 10% of the workforce.
Musk didn't create anything. He bought Tesla and Ebay from the actual creators. Then he existed entirely on government subsidies - which most conservatives like to call handouts - and selling carbon credits. His cars are still expensive pieces of NVH mistakes. Everything rattles and feels cheap. And wasn't Tesla known for being racist to people of color and for union busting? But I suppose that's part of the charm that half of the posters here love about him. He thinks the same way you do!
"I wouldn't look up to Musk as a leader."
You want to bet against the guy go ahead. It's a fools errand. He's one of those guys that can just point at the scoreboard and walk away. You don't get there without being an extraordinary leader.
I wouldn't look up to Musk as a leader. Tesla is crumbling now that Daddy Government has taken away the tax incentives. He can't sell his cars for those crazy prices. Plus the libs hate him now and they were the ones buying Teslas. The conservatives love him now - but they don't buy EVs... It's all downhill for Tesla now...
How is Ford determining who to lay off as non-valuable employees? Since you posted your thread here, you might be one of them, @OP+1w42kn2T. Am I right?
"A CEO with a vision and a plan that are worthy to follow."
Absolutely. These are 2 people that are just built different. Elon will make sure the biggest issues at the business get handled. Roll up his sleeves and get into the biggest problems with the people working on them. Then delegate the rest. The biggest ones are the ones he personally skips levels and works with people on. Not promoting people out of a position for non performance. He just unceremoniously fires them. He actually keeps the high performance people instead of letting them get caught in the herd of layoffs. He simply makes sure he knows the biggest issue his businesses have very intimately. You never bet against Elon. He's a builder, problem solver, and the way he attacks problems is why he attracts the best talent in the business. Everyone knows it because it's the way he's always operated. Yet somehow people think they can just hire his former people and "rent" some of that mentality for a while. No, it requires a change in thinking. Know...your....business, or you will continue to rank high in the most undesired categories. Adapt or fail.
There are many things that Ford is doing, which causing the company to suffer.
Engineers are doing thing the way the have done in the past. This is totally wrong.
There is no innovation at Ford. Employees are there because they can't get a job anywhere else. Employees are hiding behind the walls and cubicles to surf the internet all day long. No accountability from upper management to hourly. So sad.
@iay+1w42kn2T "Ford needs to learn for Elon Musk. Elon told the employees no more work from home. If you don't agree, then leave the company."
I don't have a problem with Ford following Tesla, but before we start with RTO, let's do at Ford other things that Tesla does:
- A CEO with a vision and a plan that are worthy to follow.
- No Ford family class stock, and no dividends.
- Increasing the salaries at Ford to match Tesla's.
- Increasing the bonuses at Fod to match Tesla's.
- Getting paid OT at Ford (managers expect the troops to work 60 hours a week, but only get paid 40 hours. No more COMP time at regular time instead of 1.5x).
Give me a goal, a nice paycheque, and clear instructions from the business... and I am willing to work 60 hours a week doing a great job.
Right now, I spent a big chunk of time in meetings that make no sense, meetings where I hear the same issues again and again, with no path to solution because someone else has to make a decision (terrible thing making a decision at FMC, all managers are terrified of decisions because those can mean losing their jobs).
I have waited months for the business to give me a clear instruction on how to proceed, after I gave them the possible technical solutions. At one point, my manager wanted me to choose, and I asked my LL6 to send me the request in writing before proceeding. I am still waiting for it, LOL.
This week I worked 43 hours and 20 minutes, but you know how much I got paid, right? And IDK how long I am going to be at my job, since performance doesn't matter anymore. I am not asking for guarantees, but why should I work OT for free then?
As my managers say, the reward for those that do a great job... is more work. Well, I'd like more peace of mind and a bigger paycheque with that, please. Enough to remove the bad taste of RTO from my mouth.
This is mo--nic, our issues are around material cost and quality.... Anyone who thinks getting rid of headcount should be walked out themselves. The key here is we need to simplify our products, work with our suppliers to reduce cost, remove unneeded content. We also need to abandon silly ideas that sound good when Jim's on his crack pipe.
It is disheartening to hear comments about U.S. workers making too much money. Useless management whose goal was to disrupt the business make millions per person. They would be gone if they were GSR based on their poor performance. They are the drag and waste of payroll dollars. Also, China owns and contols their auto companies. Stop comparing U.S. workers to them, unless you live and work there.
The company is in real trouble. I retired a few years back out of salary ranks. A lot of finger pointing about WFH. I too was a supv. my team did their job we never fell behind in our work.
Was there things that needed to change? Yes the past 10 years Fords market share and volumes have dropped big time. Yet the company is still configured for those high volume products.
One big problem at the top is a really clear and realistic vision and plan. Not Fantasy Island. Every time i hear JF speak he reminds me of Tattoo and BF is Mr. Rourke.
I still can not get over the fact JF during and interview in 2022 came out and criticized his own workforce. Yet he was the one responsible for the EV debacle and the lack of focus on quality. Sorry JF but back when I hired in Q1 meant something and the company took it serious not a n line for a WS mtg. press conference like you do.
So if you get criticized it is because you deserve it. You have lost the trust of the personnel.
You have not demonstrated a realistic vision since you took over. You are a classic case of Mr. Yes man. to BF.
I saw a high level paper written in 2017 regarding EVs everything in that paper was spot on as to why the market would not except EVs right now and you were either too stupid or a "YES MAN" to do something about it.
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Another brainless post.
Tesla is in business due to left wing regulations and taxes. No carbon credits or CAFE and tax incentives. No Tesla.
Great idea. 🙄 Move jobs to LCC or cut salary’s here. Can’t afford to buy what you engineer and manufacture. Who is going to buy these overpriced vehicles? D-mb take Francis.
Maybe cut the damn regulations to get cost out. IE; Back up cameras should be an option. Costs OEMs millions in warranty.
Ford, GM and other companies like Boeing and Lockheed ought to stop giving away tech knowledge and know how to these other countries and keep it in the good old USA and also bring back manufacturing. Name any of these countries that are willing to come to America's defense when in the need.
China is where they are today because they steal technology mostly from America.
Honestly, Ford needs to clean house in the USA. All the American OEMs need to.
The Chinese work for a lot less money than we do. Americans have these unreasonable expectations to earn wages that would blow the minds of most of the world's workers.
We either need to be more competitive with the low cost countries - by accepting lower wages - or prepare to see our salaried jobs get offshored to low cost countries.
The same will happen to assembly in the USA. C-suite will figure out that it is cost effective to build overseas and import - even with tariffs - instead of building here and paying 'greedy' American wages.
I want Ford to survive. And this is the only path forward.
What’s the source or is this simply puffery? How do they all of the sudden know who’s working and who’s not?
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I don't get your cheap shot against DF. He is on record supporting returning to the office as it is proven the best method to improve the company's work efficiency, collaboration, and output. Look it up.
WFH abuse occurs at all levels, so I don’t see that being the primary focus for reductions.
My department management doesn’t know how much time it takes to do most tasks, so our work always has a healthy cushion expectation. If you are WFH, you often have a lot of free time as a result of this management “low expectation” fog. If they could improve operational efficiency by eliminating the work cushions, it would require management that engages a lot more to understand how things are done at the working level. My management are still mostly WFH so they don’t dare look to improve workload cushions, because it would require more management.
Entire staff groups could be let loose as we don’t need so many trackers and ankle biters as being used. Quality and Training departments are disconnected from Engineering at the management levels, so this limits how effective the teams are at both the management and working levels.
Every single person in this country will be driving a Tesla in our lifetimes.
Electrified powertrains are the future. Tesla has proven that for all of us to see. Even the deep south red states are beginning to gobble up Tesla vehicles.
Ford needs to sell more EVs if we want to avoid bankruptcy.
Ford management needs to tell people that aren’t doing what they want what it is they want.
Employees just can’t live in the he-l of not knowing and wondering if their job will be the next to be cut.
How many people have we seen here say, “I don’t know what I did wrong. My performance reviews were good. No one told me they were unhappy. Then one day, out of the blue, I lost my job.”
Ford needs to learn for Elon Musk. Elon told the employees no more work from home. If you don't agree, then leave the company.
Tesla is more efficient now than ever. They eliminated 15,000 employess, productivity went up, the company is more profitable, the stock price is going through the roof, bunus is up, merit increase approved, moral is up. Wow.
Ford needs to do the same, follow the leader or go bankcrupt.
people act like everyone who works from home do nothing! Same can be said for those that show up in the office as well. Thinks stink right now so the finger pointing has started. For one I retired a few years ago was a supv. in salaried. As long as my people were able to get the job done I really did not care if they were working from the moon.
They knew if we had a build or signoff they needed to come in. I had no arguments form my crew on that one. But back in 2020 senior management our furniture guy and his direct reports came out and said nobody was returning to work . then later in the year it was stated an employee can work form another state as long as he or she cleared it with there boss.
I still keep in touch with my old section. from what I hear the new facilities really s*ck. no parking no private space ,, not enough desk around for what those clown at the top yes JF you are the "TOP BOZO".. DF enjoy working from Cali.. Your days are numbered if things don't turn around.
The two of these mo--ns have done nothing to improve morale / quality / products at the company... Time for new real leadership.. not the kind that filters down from the top. If I had a dime for every time JF deflected blame I would be as rich as Elon Musk.
If managers/supervisors can't figure out who is working from home honestly or not they need to be cut first. Such useless leaders can only manage people by policing and looking over the shoulders as they don't know the actual work going on. For them physical presence is everything instead of actual work being done. If they were competent they can figure out who is not productive from home and bring them back to office. It should be case by case basis instead of all or nothing otherwise some good folks will leave even during the difficult job market as they can find a job. If good folks leave, the company will sink faster. The leadership su-ks at Ford!
Some of the posts in here are hilarious! You new folks cost more, deliver nothing (albeit a few in emerging spaces) and are going to leave in a couple years.
Ford used to focus its effort on gaining breadth for its employees because it’s a monster of a company and industry. Engineering alone is just so massive and full of processes you don’t learn in college.
And to the comment about Michigan being a terrible place to live. Good! Stay in California, enjoy housing the homeless on your steps, paying 10 bucks for a bottle of water, having water limits for use, having undecided genders for new borns, and not being welcome anywhere else.
Real men and women built this economy and nation in the mid-west and rust belt. While you fruitcakes out west claim to be eco-friendly yet pollute more than anyone, stand for justice but your jails are packed, and claim to be free but are slaves to your own fake science.
People who work from home are not coming to Michigan. Ford can su-k it but Michigan is a sh---y place to live. Either Ford loses top talent or keeps work from home for people who know what they are doing
Ford has so many employees who claimed to be working at home. Sure, they are getting paid for doing home projects, on company time. This is where Ford needs to cut.