Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

Pension plan will be darren's next big mistake

There are a lot of comments on this board about the company match not coming back. Here is my prediction. The 401k match is coming back by end of 2022, and it will be 1 or 2 % higher than the old 7%!

Good news, right? But wait, keep reading.

ExxonMobil is one of the few companies remaining which have both a “defined contribution” plan (7% match until last October) and a “defined benefit” plan (pension). Under federal law, the two plans are treated very differently. The company can turn the company match on and off quickly (like a faucet). That is why they were able to react so quickly when they wanted to reduce employee expenses to protect the dividend, so they stopped the company match. But federal laws governing the pension plan are very complex (just try reading the Pension Protection Act of 2006). They are designed to prevent companies from cheating employees out of their pension. It takes a great deal of work from legal, tax, accounting, and actuarial experts to shut down or freeze a pension plan in a way which does not violate federal law. It is highly likely the company has experts looking at this right now. (In fact, I would bet that darren had them looking at this before the pandemic hit.)

The vast majority of U.S. companies in all types of industries and businesses have moved away from the traditional pension plan, and to a match type benefit instead. A company match to a 401k is much less expensive than a defined benefit like the pension plan. A company provides a certain % to an employee in each paycheck. The payment is simple to calculate and administer. No need to worry about setting aside billions of dollars for future obligations. No need to make up huge deficits if the plan becomes underfunded or the pension fund assets perform poorly. No accounting and legal headaches. There is no future risk for the company; the risk is transferred completely to the employee. (The only sector where the traditional pension plan is still very common is with public sector / government. And it is a main driver for why so many government entities in the public sector struggle to balance their budgets.)

What most people do not know is the cost of the pension for ExxonMobil is much higher than the cost of the 401k match. The pension costs the company about 15 to 20% per year of a typical employee salary (can actually be higher in years when the returns on the pension fund are poor, because the company has to set aside more funds to make up the shortfall). This is completely separate from the 7% match. So in a typical year the true cost of providing “retirement” benefits is approximately 22% to 27% for a U.S. based employee.

The value of the ExxonMobil pension plan is based on a formula (years of service x 1.6% x average final pay) which increases dramatically in the later years as one reaches retirement age, and the years between age 55 and 60 also increase the pension value as the 5% discount per year disappears. So “vested” retirement benefits at age 55 are much smaller than age 60, and employees leaving before becoming retirement eligible (age 55 years and 15 years of service) see a huge hit to their pension benefit. The same will be true when the company eliminates (or freezes) the current pension plan. While employees will not lose the “vested” pension benefit, the lost pension value will be huge for many employees, especially for those in mid-career.

So that’s where they pull the switch. They will announce the company match will return, with a higher rate! They will make a big deal out of it and pretend they have done something wonderful for the employees. But they will also freeze the pension plan at the same time. They will try to sugar coat the moves, but in reality the result will be severely downgraded retirement benefits.

If I were an ExxonMobil employee in my 20’s or 30’s, this could actually be good news, because I would have no confidence this company will keep their promise to pay me a pension in 20 or 30 years from now anyway. I rather have the company match in my account, which I can take with me if I decide to leave (or if the company plays more shameful games like PIP/PIL to force me out before I can even make it long enough to receive a pension). But if I were an employee in my 40’s or 50’s, I would be very unhappy because the value of my benefits would drop dramatically. The extra 1 or 2% they add to the match will never come close to the amount I could have earned from the pension.

So the company can actually save huge amounts of money by increasing the company match and eliminating the pension plan. But that is not all it does for them. Keep in mind that one of the main drivers of a pension plan is to tie or bind an employee to the company long term. This used to be the ExxonMobil way. But it is clear that darren wants the company to move towards a model where each employee is essentially on a one year contract (i.e. until the next assessment cycle). After all, I’m sure he thinks every employee is expendable (except him of course).

So that’s what I believe is on the way. Please do not misunderstand me. I am not naïve about the reality of the marketplace and financial pressures. ExxonMobil has to adjust benefits over the long run to ensure they are affordable. But the pension plan is a bond between the company and the employee which ties our futures together. A loyal and dedicated workforce is a valuable asset for any company, which will deliver tangible results to the bottom line. They need to remember that “you get what you pay for”. ExxonMobil cannot attract and retain a high quality workforce at rock bottom prices. But unfortunately it looks like darren is about to make another huge mistake.

Finally, it would be an enormous improvement if darren and the rest of his senior management would be honest with us. Stop saying one thing but doing another. Speak to us like intelligent adults, with candor and transparency. And if they must reduce some financial benefits like the pension plan, then how about replacing them with other benefits, like a 9/80 work schedule, more opportunities for working from home, elimination of the brutal ranking system which grinds down good people, or showing appreciation for your employees with real actions instead of empty words.

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@7tgn+1bv8MAJs I think you just proved his/her (@7usq+1bv8MAJs) point with your lousy attitude! You cannot dispute his/her facts, so you resort to childish name calling. Makes you feel good - huh? You know our company has a mental heath hotline (EMHAP). Or are you just a troll?

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Post ID: @7ihv+1bv8MAJs

@7usq+1bv8MAJs

You freaking d-mb boomer. Gone are the days of employees having 30+ years with the company. Most will be PIPd or let go before that happens.

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Post ID: @7tgn+1bv8MAJs

@6iin+1bv8MAJs No need to be rude. Especially when you don’t know what you are talking about.

Let’s stick with the facts. The math doesn’t lie. The pension plan for U.S. employees will produce a much larger pile of money at retirement than the 7% company match.
I know from personal experience as a retired EM employee that the posters here are correct when they say the pension plan is extremely valuable. When I retired after 3 decades with EM, my lump sum payment from the pension plan was 6.2 times the amount all of the company match contributions. That is, the lump sum I took from the pension plan was equal to 6.2 times all the cumulative contributions which EM made over my career to my company match account. Obviously the amount will vary upon a number of factors, such as your final pay, number of years of service, and discount rates used for the lump sum. But the fact remains that the pension plan is much more valuable (if you “make it to the finish line” as someone below said.)

I can add that I was involved many years in my EM career in positions which gave me access to information relevant to this discussion. The OP was right – the company has to put aside a lot of money (in one recent year the number was 18% of an employee’s salary) to fund the pension plan, over and above and separate from the 7% company match.

These are simple mathematical facts. Why be rude and aggressive against people who are trying to bring these points front and center. I believe they are trying to open the eyes of employees to how valuable the pension plan is, so that you can make clear to senior management that taking away the pension plan is a step too far. If you want to save the pension plan, you have to speak up now. Once DW and his management sycophants take away the pension plan, they will never turn back or admit their mistake.

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Post ID: @7usq+1bv8MAJs

How valuable is a pension plan for the majority of the employees with a consistent shrinking employee base and asset sells. Get your money up front in your 401k and take it with you.

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Post ID: @7khq+1bv8MAJs

@6bwy+1bv8MAJs

You are incorrect. The pension is definitely not worth worth more than 10% 401k match + growth in the market. Seems to me like this company only hires dummies. Lol

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Post ID: @6iin+1bv8MAJs

Without the pension, the match would have to be 17% to be equal to pension (10%) plus previous match (7%). Still not as good as having the pension and match in my opinion because ALL risk would get shifted to employee.

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Post ID: @6ray+1bv8MAJs

@6ybw+1bv8MAJs "As an employee, a higher 401k match is much better to us vs our outdated pension plan model. At the end of a career, the 401k can have a greater return vs what is provided in the pension."

Sorry, but that is simply not correct. The EM pension plan is very generous (to those who make it to the finish line). The lump sum from the pension plan can be 6 to 8 times greater than the cumulative aggregate sum of all the company matches throughout a career. Even if you invest the company match and it grows at market rates of return, you cannot approach the value of the pension plan at the end of a career with EM. For most EM employees who reach retirement the pension plan lump sum is a multiple of the cumulative dollars from the company match. It is a simple mathematical fact.

Employees need to let management know if the pension is important to them. Let senior management know this is a line they cannot cross.

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Post ID: @6bwy+1bv8MAJs

As an employee, a higher 401k match is much better to us vs our outdated pension plan model. At the end of a career, the 401k can have a greater return vs what is provided in the pension.

The pension plan is great for employees that stick around long term, however, this really goes against how the company is treating employees. The chances of working here long term and making it to retirement age going forward are quite slim. I'd rather the company cash out my pension contributions, discontinue the plan going forward and come back with a 10% match. This company is soon to be a revolving door, at least make the benefits align with how the company treats its employees.

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Post ID: @6ybw+1bv8MAJs

Ernest and Young announced 10+ years ago at the Early, Mid, and Late Career Retirement Courses that XOM was one of only three companies still offering a parallel traditional pension and matching 401K. EY told everyone in these courses that three companies could not afford to continue with a parallel traditional pension and 401K long term.

No surprise that there is alot of chatter regarding grandfathering the traditional XOM pension and continuing the 401K (hopefully with a xx% match).

XOM should have done this 10+ years ago to align with the rest of the Fortune 500 benefits plans.

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Post ID: @6xub+1bv8MAJs

I don’t think getting rid of the pension plan will be a big deal for most employees. A little increase in the 401k match and throw around a bit of restricted stock and most will be satisfied.

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Post ID: @6sir+1bv8MAJs

@5fce+1bv8MAJs I respectfully suggest that you are missing my point. A company like EM needs employees who work hard to make the company successful over the long run, because it takes years for major investments to pay off. You want the employees to have a vested interest in the long term success of the company. A pension plan helps to align the interest of the company (shareholders) and the employees. The employees are rewarded with a fantastic benefit in the future only if the company prospers.

It doesn't matter that an employee works in one position within the company this year and another position next year. It doesn't matter to a typical employee if the profits come from upstream or refining or lubes or chemical, because all profits hit the same EM bottom line, the same share price, and and all dollars are available for the same EM pension plan. So the pension plan provides a strong incentive which aligns the employee interest with the company/shareholder.

Without a pension plan EM will become like lots of other companies where the workers only care about what's in it for them in the short run. And a short term time horizon is not a recipe for success in a company which requires a long term perspective for successful investments.

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Post ID: @6czd+1bv8MAJs

2dua+1bv8MAJs They already move people so frequently that there’s no real responsibility for the job. I didn’t see anyone working in a role more than two or three years.

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Post ID: @5fce+1bv8MAJs

It's not coming back.

Good luck.

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Post ID: @5cnj+1bv8MAJs

If they are going to take away or freeze the pension plan then that's a game changer. They are going to attract employees who only care about the short term, and will lose sight of what is in the long term benefit of the company and shareholders. It takes 6 to 8 years from the time a large investment (new offshore development, refinery, chemical plant) goes from initial scoping to commercial production. Do they really want employees who can only look only one year into the future?

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Post ID: @2dua+1bv8MAJs

I keep seeing thoughts like 'top talent' and 'highly specialized skills' in many posts.
It is a Commodity Company.
Focus skills:
Marketing
Logistics
Tax Experts
Robotics, sure.
but these can all be contracted out.

the 401K even at 7% is sufficient to keep actual people in the warehouse.

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Post ID: @1gqw+1bv8MAJs

9/80s? or any other flexible or hybrid work arrangment? You guys are still hopeful? It ain't happening at XOM. Dallas just have too much of $$$ wasted into EMHC and again instead of owning up their mistake they will continue to hide theor mistake by requiring bums on chairs. This is truely a company from dianasours age. I mean the mgmt. is so committed of not changing at all. Full of lies.

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Post ID: @1uka+1bv8MAJs

@vdf

Well said. My a-s would certainly have hit the road with a lump sum pension offer and insurance. Leaving in a year and a half anyway.

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Post ID: @wqp+1bv8MAJs

If they really wanted the USA headcount to decrease, they should have 1) opened up the voluntary program last year to ALL employees with a package and lump sum option and 2) allowed those expensive employees (45+), the option to retire with medical and pension.

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Post ID: @vdf+1bv8MAJs

If they take the pension out there is a class action in waiting. Suggest no one to take the lump sum pension buy-out option (pennies to the $) and do a class action. Anyone with 10+ years of service in the company they would have to keep the pension alive. Can take it out for new hires.

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Post ID: @ftp+1bv8MAJs

Interesting theory on RSUs….but then they’d have to start talking about RSUs to advertise that benefit.

The smart ones would take their vested pension and walk. It’s better than an intangible promise of stock you might earn but cannot cash for 5 years. Plus, after the last year, I suspect people will resent those ‘golden handcuffs.’ Many learned to remain nimble and employable.

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Post ID: @jeb+1bv8MAJs

The fundamental economic problem for Exxon is that we are now a much less valuable place to work (due to perception of instability, downgrade of industry generally, lack of trust in future of company, etc.). So, in order to attract top talent, pay and benefits should be increasing instead of decreasing.

Exxon can say they’re okay with that for now, but in five years they will be left with a workforce full of people who couldn’t get a job elsewhere. This will make anyone competent still there, even less likely to stay.

It’s a vicious cycle.

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Post ID: @qvp+1bv8MAJs

Rock bottom prices for highly specialized skills in a cyclical industry that is supposedly dying?

Should not there be a good premium then to attract decent workers? Otherwise I am not sure how the individual economics will work.

The abundant labor supply due to recent layoffs will work itself out by people leaving the patch - then what?

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Post ID: @nwz+1bv8MAJs

To the contrary of the conclusion of this article, you can get excellent employees at rock bottom prices. a 35 yo is much more productive than 50+ yo, on the average, and costs about a third. Revising or freezing the pension system while improving the 401k match is an excellent way to continue attracting top talent while getting rid of the most expensive top talent in the 45+ yo range.

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Post ID: @zyo+1bv8MAJs

I agree with your general assessment but think application may differ from what you describe. I see the 401k match coming back, but more likely in the 5-7% range, coinciding with the elimination of the pension plan. To appease mid-career employees with a decent amount of service time, I could see a moderate expansion of RSU grants to add some golden handcuffs. To younger employees, the pension is an antiquated compensation mechanism and therefore not a major consideration in employment decisions whether the company offers one or not. I’d wager that most people under age 35 or so have little to no confidence in there being a pension when they retire, putting about as much faith in the pension as they do in social security.

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Post ID: @yev+1bv8MAJs

Even if not fully equivalent the switch from one solution with long term impact to something different (more agile :-) ) has perhaps been put in place in some countries … so now it is a matter to roll out the same concept in US.

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Post ID: @awx+1bv8MAJs

Great analysis. Unfortunately, you are much brighter than our leadership who would ask this to be condensed to 4 bullet points on a slide.

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Post ID: @pfq+1bv8MAJs

DW WOULD think we could be glammed by an extra 1-2% match and fail to do the math. He’s going to step in mud with that one. A 401k match, no pension, and current salary = total remuneration that can be beat by other companies. The attrition will continue with 10+ year employees.

…now, if he wants the company run by new hires fresh out of college, he might have a chance. If that is the case, I wish him luck.

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Post ID: @cna+1bv8MAJs

Brilliant analysis. 9/80s, though, don’t make up for discontinuing the pension plan.

Does this come from any knowledge of what is actually being considered, or it this purely hypothetical?

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Post ID: @fcy+1bv8MAJs

It’s hard to fault your logic and reasoning.

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