Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Really hard to say there is lots of flexibility to hiring depends on regions and experience. There's ways companies manipulate salary offers.Example many h1-b have masters and phd. They may get an offer just a bit higher than bachelor. Very had to check if compensations is on par.

Consulting companies may be paying less to H1Bs but big companies like Oracle pays what they would pay to a citizen with same skill and same experience.

Lot of the students coming from abroad on F1 visas aka student visas take out huge loans in their home countries if they don't come from very wealthy families; they pay out of state tuition, which at public universities in the US can be 2X to 4X relative to tuition for instate tuition, not counting the expenses of international travel. Actually, lot of the public universities (and also some of the privates) prefer having international students instead of local students so they can make more money, for instance USC, BU, etc.; education, like everything else, is a business after all - btw, nothing wrong with that as long as students get their money's worth (return on their time and money) by getting hired at market rates by companies, which are willing to sponsor them for H1B and eventually help them obtain permanent residency. Don't blame the F1 / H1b visa holders but blame the education institutions, employers (stock holders), USA's public policy, the congress ( voted in by US citizens), which makes the immigration / visa laws.

Employees on H1B's are effectively at employers' whims after they get hired. Even if they are brought in at competitive market rate salaries but they have less options flexibility to switch jobs / employer since it may increase the processing time for obtaining green card / permanent residency - their managers and employers know this leading to potential abuse and exploitation (salaries / raises stagnate and so do opportunities to advance).

@KGhTNhC-rhi I don't know where you get that data from. None of the entry-level H1B employees at the SCA site I know gets paid less than $100k per year.

You have an employee making $150k per year. You bring in an H1B and pay him $45k to do the same job but you give it a different job title. Even with additional fees, it is way less than the employee it is replacing. HR knows how to skirt the rules. They just make sure the employee is paid lines up with a job title that requires that pay.

@fwh. H1b employees' income data is public. Stop lying to yourself. In fact companies have to pay even more for the sponsorship/petition. Why do they still hire h1b workers then? Are they dumb?

Every company is taking advantage of H1B's to bring in cheaper employees. The problem with H1B's is they should be forced to be the higher wage but the Government doesn't do it's job. If they cracked down on it, then the companies would just completely move the jobs out of the US and the US would lose all that income tax revenue.

Hilarious. this site is full of crying babies trying to find something to blame. unfortunately h1b is not even a legitimate reason. It's not like h1b employees are exempted from RIFs anyway.

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/Ky37GrE#8vgv

I know oracle has a lot of h1-b's. give your thoughts. It's all about free speech and thought.

If you have better perspective by all means.

Obvious h1-b it's ok. No blame at you.

LOL. you dont even know what you are talking about

The h1-b is as much a victim as any due to greed. I am not advocating blame simply highlighting the system that created this environment. Greed.

They get f-1 visa to study and get sponsored on h1-b by tech companies that donate massive amounts of research funds to those schools.

https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/the-geography-of-foreign-students-in-u-s-higher-education-origins-and-destinations/

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2016-11-14/study-interest-in-stem-fuels-growth-in-number-of-international-students-in-us

In the meantime u.s. Students get into enormous debt just to get an undergrad degree that may get them a job but no guarantee.

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/the-short-list-grad-school/articles/2014/06/17/10-engineering-schools-popular-with-international-students