But is the rumor true???
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I'm voting you are an Oracle Senior Director. Their vocabularies are extremely limited in my experience.
I worked for a Senior Director when I started at Oracle. He was still a Senior Director when I left more than 10 years later. No matter how many scams and dirty tricks he played on the people around him and his own reports, he just never made the grade. Incompetent at actual work and incompetent at sabotage.
Oracle is stagnant with incompetence throughout the management. There is no reason to work at Oracle, the only reason this guy works at Oracle is because he knows he can't find a job anywhere else.
It's just a troll, don't get all worked up.
And no, a troll doesn't confirm anything nor contribute in any manner other than simply trying to annoy. Quite successfully in this case, for what it looks.
fake news
Is this the best you can come up with? Do you even realize how stupid this fake news meme makes you look?
If the only rebuttal you can come up with is fake news, you've pretty much confirmed everything that has been posted here.
You must be an Oracle Senior Director. Or some cheap Oracle PR-monkey-for-hire.
fake news
that sounds really much as a desperate hope than a realistic thinking.
I'm in contact daily with Solaris customers. 90% of them are thinking of moving away from Solaris, 50% have already planned the path, 25% are already executing.
and, much worse from a strategic point of view, none, and I mean 0%, of them are thinking of starting a new prj on Solaris. all new projects are Linux.
yes, many of them tell me "Solaris is a great OS, if I could I would have never switched it off, but given the situation I must", but that's helping only the morale, not the sales or the future of Solaris.
nope, unfortunately given the errors in the past (including the incredibly stupid and arrogant management in Sun Microsystems who effectively determied the death of Solaris) the future of Solaris in the real world, the world of customers and not the utopian world of our Solaris enigeering, is very clearly defined.
only a very small niche of hard-lovers will remain, nothing close to enough to sustain a Solaris org in Oracle.
the only reamaining uncertainty is how long Fujitsu will fund Solaris development. they have a plan to switch their M platform to Linux/ARM in the next 3 to 5 years, so maybe we can have some more time to find a new job.....
Fake news as Solaris is alive and well and will be used for many more years by large established companies who are disinclined to move to Linux. I’d I were 22 and right out of college I wouldn’t want to take a Job developing or selling Solaris, but for the old timers who are left Solaris is a ship that should bring them safety into retirement as it is not going away anytime soon. The types of companies who use Solaris are old school and loath to make any change.
customers will be forced, in a way or another, to move to cloud.
Lucky for them, AWS, Google, MS, SF, and WD all have some really nice options for them.
If only we had had the foresight to build a decent cloud. Sun started one, but LE killed it because Oracle wasn't "interested" in that kind of business. Has LE accurately predicted ANYTHING about the IT market the past decade? If not, that's quite a a losing streak. It s---s to be lead by someone who's always at least 5 years behind the rest of the world.
Nobody is using Solaris 11 but you gotta consider it's 7 years old now as it were released in 2011 which is why S12 was killed. Customers are running their apps on S10 using containers. I've yet to come across any business running their production workflows on S11. Note that certain things on SPARC require you to run S11 but that's more underlying OS running an S10 container or zone.
In other words, Solaris 10 is for legacy apps a customer hasn't moved elsewhere. S11 is not being used and never will be which is why Oracle RIF'd everybody. The few Solaris engineers kicking about are those who can't get jobs elsewhere or were kept onboard to keep the decks scrubbed.
As others have said, Oracle has a skeleton crew guiding the Systems Group ship towards the rocks and they will wring every dollar of profit from it until it dies. Ca$h Cow.
Solaris is totally dead.
"Agreed. The systems group is a cash cow. It brings in a steady source of income and profit."
that would be only in a theoretical perfect world.
i.e. a world in which Oracle execs act to sustain and grow the business.
in the real world, much less perfect, Oracle execs act to sustain stocks.
and so in this not perfect real world, next FY you will basically not have a field presales org in EMEA, currently the largest market for onprem SPARC business.
next FY the field presales org will have a maximum of 30 (thirty) people around EMEA. massacre has just begun today, with many "letters" sent to people in system org that are now considered "redundant" and invited to quickly find a new position or just get out with a (generous must say) package.
and you will have a skinned field sales org. between 60 and 90, again all EMEA.
with these people, you (Oracle, I mean) cannot expect to do more than 30% of the current revenues. if you (Oracle, I mean) are very lucky.
oh, yes, remaining revenues for an increased YoY budget (what they are smoing? must be very good, can I have some?), i.e. >70% of the current revenues, will be done by ODP.
good luck, you will need a lot.
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nope, the unfortunate reality is that Oracle is really not interested in any onprem system business. that's it. customers will be forced, in a way or another, to move to cloud.
Then perhaps you shouldn't spout BS as fact.
It's not BS, it's fact. The only ones left spewing BS about Solaris being of any consequence or relevance are the few delusional Solaris die-hards who can't let go or can't get hired anywhere else, and/or Oracle's marketing monkeys.
Face the facts, champ. Solaris is dead. The very few Solaris engineers still left at Oracle at this point are there out of necessity, not choice: they can't get a job anyplace else.
Fixing bugs in Solaris 10 - that was released 13+ years ago - does not count as ongoing development. The vast majority of Oracle customers still running Solaris are running Solaris 10.
"Solaris is harder to quantify"
Then perhaps you shouldn't spout BS as fact.
"It wasn't 90%. It was big, but not even close to 90%"
Over 90% of SPARC engineering was laid off, with the remains to complete some features on the new platforms that were about to go out the door, plus sustain them.
Solaris is harder to quantify depending how you count development, sustaining and the storage org.
Sustaining wasn't hit as hard but storage had more than 50% go with the remainder to go this year after some features for the final release are wrapped up. Solaris had way more like 75% go. People (particularly the experienced ones that aren't close to retirement) have continued to leave. There is due to be another round by middle of the year whether it's through layoff or selloff.
"And that's why Oracle laid off 90% of Solaris engineers"
It wasn't 90%. It was big, but not even close to 90%.
Solaris and Hardware are still huge businesses that will continue to bring in a ton of money from a huge number of customers for manny more years
And that's why Oracle laid off 90% of Solaris engineers, quit SPARC development and put Solaris in file-and-forget bug maintenance mode. Because it's going to be around for a very long time. Makes total sense.
Does Oracle have a Solaris Cloud? Oracle was marketing as The First Cloud OS.
Yeah, I didn't think so either.
What is interesting is that firms like Joyent seem to be making a go of it with their OpenSolaris based offerings.
Agreed. The systems group is a cash cow. It brings in a steady source of income and profit. Not everyone is switching to the cloud and I could see Solaris being a "last man standing" in the on premise enterprise computing market, especially since AIX and HPUX have fallen to the wayside.
Nobody. It's dead and irrelevant. Nobody wants it. Get over it.
It's still more relevant than any of our cloud offerings. No one has to financially engineer systems sales into deals for totally unrelated offerings. More Fortune 500 companies use Solaris than all of our SaaS offerings combined. Sure, it's not going to grow anymore, but Solaris and Hardware are still huge businesses that will continue to bring in a ton of money from a huge number of customers for manny more years.
If Fujitsu doesn't buy Solaris, who will?
Nobody. It's dead and irrelevant. Nobody wants it. Get over it.
" yes, there are advanced discussions between Oacle and Fujitsu on how to "smoothly" transition what will remain of Oracle Server and Storage to Fujistu. still a long way to go though, the most optimistic prevision is 2020"
That's an eternity. So much can happen between now and then.
If Fujitsu doesn't buy Solaris, who will? And it doesn't seem likely that they will.
That's MH's thing isn't it? To trim down companies for sale. Maybe he trimmed the area for easy sale? Maybe Oracle will start selling off pieces to make ends meet.
"well, I think the reply below, and the cancelling of many "disturbing" threads, is the best example of how this is not true at all"
Or maybe some smarty pants cut and pasted it from a website it for a laugh.
Given that the systems group is a steady cash cow (albeit one that isn't growing), it might behoove Oracle to hang onto it. Cash cows don't make stock prices zoom up, but they pay the bills and keep the lights on when the going gets rough, and we might be on the verge of another "Great Recession".
someone said in another thread that Oracle HR and Marketing are not looking at this board since the number of views is so low... well, I think the reply below, and the cancelling of many "disturbing" threads, is the best example of how this is not true at all
back to the OP point. yes, there are advanced discussions between Oacle and Fujitsu on how to "smoothly" transition what will remain of Oracle Server and Storage to Fujistu. still a long way to go though, the most optimistic prevision is 2020
As they say in the M&A world, these companies have great symmetry and would be complementary.
Standing on a more than 30-year partnership, Fujitsu and Oracle will continue to provide the best platform for mission critical businesses including Fujitsu SPARC M12 – both companies announced the worldwide availability of this product on April 2017. Fujitsu SPARC M12 servers combined with Oracle database can deliver high performance and mission-critical RAS for enterprise-class workloads with high level of flexibility and scalability. Now more than ever, Fujitsu continue to work hand-in-hand with Oracle focusing on the future of SPARC technology.