Let's discuss this one...
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@3ayz, diamond Dave wrote the book on negative reinforcement. Just look at our punitive "performance review" system as another example
The insurance premiums have already caked in numbers assuming a certain percentage of smokers and overweight individuals. The introduction of a penalty is a true money grab.
My spouse’s company has biometrics but only for the employee. They get positive reinforcement. Get your prostrate checked? Gift card. Mammogram? Gift card. Do the biometrics? 15% reduction in premium.
I heard that DC read a book about negative consequences being more effective than positive....
Work for Honeywell is detrimental to ones mental and physical health. Just say "no" to continued exposure to Honeywell's caustic and repugnant work environment. I'm living proof that their is life after Honeywell after I retired early 3 years ago.
It's hard to believe employees actually put up with this. It seems Honeywell wants to control employees and their families choices and really its none of HWs business.
Glad I'm heading out the door for good.
just another revenue stream by a company that has run out of ideas or not interested in actually improving via investment. All the meet the crazy Wall Street numbers, it's a sad act of desperation and the luck will run out some day
At R they give you points (which add up to dollars you can spend on anything), for going to quest to get screened. You get points for steps and working out. I’ve been at R for two months and earned 70 dollars so far. I think positive enforcement is better than negative.
No fatties
You can get a waiver. All you need is a doctor who will exempt you or come up with an alternative measure. I’ve done it.
Tell doc about your overtime which leads to stress and no time to workout. Add to that an environment where there’s no healthy vending and gatherings are fattening. My dept has monthly cakes. And shave ice pop ups. It’s stressful to not partake.
If your BP, A1C and lipids are ok, your doc should have no problem substituting.
Next year they are going to take a DNA sample and ,, we’ll take a guess
I'm wondering if this is not a profit center for Honeywell. I mean they are self insured, which I believe means they do not buy insurance policies for each of us, Rather they manage the risk internally and pay the insurance companies for processing claims on their behalf. so the premiums collected each week, coupled with High deductibles. the employee still pays most of the cost for medical procedures, so except for the really sick, they make a tidy profit each on on the rest of us that do not need regular medical care.
1jxd.... My biometrics are none of Honeywell's damned business. HW started this c-ap with smokers, and non-smokers said nothing. Now they penalize fat (most Americans are overweight) so this really amounts to nothing but a rate hike... and you're fine with it? What's next...a blood test to prove you dont eat steak or cake–neither is good for you. How 'bout HW charging you 10X on your premium because "healthy" bicycle riders have ten times the injury rate of motorists like me? There is no logical end to that line of thinking once you're foolish enough to accept it. You're the kind of person the communists had in mind when they coined the term "useful id–t."
1jxd
I had about 5 to 6 member's of my family including my mom die of cancer all them were none smokers and in pretty decent health so lets not go there about cancer as it is in all of us and when its time to come out it will come. Oh by way I had it about 12 years ago and caught it in time before got worse and Im not a smoker and in good health.
If you are fat or smoke, you have higher rates of heart disease, cancer etc. YOUR BEHAVIOR IS A PROBLEM, your behavior hurts your families and coworkers. We all need to take ownership of our lives.
https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/index.html
I guess this doesn't apply to Honeyhell?
What s—s is I'm 55 don't smoke or drink and in decent health and I have to do this BIO stuff so don't get charged this darn fee. They should give us a BRAVO lmao for being in good health. Or maybe we should do a CI, RPS, Near miss so on to improve yourself if in bad health.
Many people find this intrusive (despite the claims that the company does not get the results. If they don't, then how they charge you if you take part but don't meet the recommended improvements... which they do, so, one way or another, it's intrusive).
Overall, anyone who wants to work for a company with excellent benefits, would not work at this one.
The healthcare benefits here are bottom of the barrel.
Luckily I have other legitimate coverage but if I didn't... I wouldn't work here.
If you smoke and/or are over weight you ARE NOT driving up healthcare cost. Your insurance company is driving up healthcare cost. This is just another gimic to s— more money out of the employee and Honeywell as well as other companies let it happen. Insurance companies have changed the rules to suit them just about every year for the last 20-25 years. When I started working the was no payment out of the employees pocket. Prescritions were at no cost...Then it all started with a $2.00 co-pay and has snowballed uphill since then. Don't blame your co-works!!!
Anyone who cares about / needs good benefits shouldn't work for this company to begin with.
This just makes it worse.
What a stupid insurance program. No company does this. Ended up quitting the job because of this!
You know, one doesn't have to take the insurance.
And my wife smoked...
But entered the cessation program so I'm glad for that.
Retire and get on a good medicare supplemental program. Cigna is still doing excellent work for me since I pulled the lanyard a year or so ago with their Medicare program. I've had Cigna since the mid-'80s with Honeywell (or the older names), and have been treated very well ever since,
Just one more reason to get out.
After how many years of Honeywell charging this fee and getting away with it. why are people still beating this dead horse?! get over it, stop smoking, loose weight or move on, those are your choices.
If you smoke and/or are overweight you are driving up the cost of healthcare. $1500 is a spec of the incurred cost to those healthy truly using health care as insurance, not a service. Good discussion.
Still can't believe that if you don't do the biometric screening, they deem you a "smoker" and have to pay the surcharge. Maybe call it a non-screened surcharge? Ok, but assume you're a smoker? What is Lerner or Rowe's number?