I've been considering it lately but I'm still scared. I can easily find a new job but there is never a guarantee that it'll be better than here.
So I'm asking people who actually made that decision and quit, what motivated you to do it? What was the final push that got you to say "I'm done" and head for the door?
I left early this year due to toxic work culture. Honestly, just wasted my most valuable years here. Joined its biggest competitor and wow they are light years ahead. Best place to work with a terrific work culture and a more human leadership that truly cares about its employees first. There is light at the end of the tunnel. It can be difficult to make decisions to change but you won’t know what is better for you until you try. There are many great options outside.
Elzj+12B5uozR - YEP! thats the one!!! I completely left insurance after Allstate and my life genuinely approved ... the person we are talking about was the main driving reason I quit. Something was truly off with them and it really bothered me cause it seemed like most in the office CONSTANTLY excused the person’s behavior .. I couldn’t see myself with a future at a company where THAT was a manager..... it was like like living in a bubble ... with one bad egg on top picking favorites and making the whole office toxic . I can confirm after leaving, nothing about all of it was normal
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I know exactly which office it was and I've been out of the company for sometime. It was very much known at the time by the office and other offices in the area as I worked in a different office. I think he was temporarily reassigned at one point and sent on a TDY
Seriously question that a manager slept with a direct report and was “celebrated “, suggesting it was widely known. I was with the company for many years, and terminated or demoted every (more than a couple) managers that did this, and came to management’s attention. If Senior management and/or HR was aware, he’d be gone. If front line employees didn’t speak up (even anonymously), shame on them.
I left allstate claims a few years ago because my boss slept with a direct employee.... and was celebrated for doing it. Then ... he was acting ... just... odd... around EVERY. SINGLE. female in our office... he was a true freak who showed blatant favoritism and was a social weirdo
I left last spring and went to one of the smaller regional carriers. I wouldn't say there was one particular thing that made me go, just the general slide towards QFC and short changing customers on every single claim. Its hard to show up and do your best when you don't believe in the mission. I will say salary was a bit better at Allstate than where I am now but at the end of the day my paycheck is roughly the same (before any OT, we are hourly where I'm at) due to the benefits being WAY cheaper here. Not to mention better coverages too. No more "personal use" charge BS on the car. No more getting hit up weekly to "donate" for this or that cause and having it hung over my head come review time. I'm sure there are places to work worse off than Allstate, but I can tell you first hand, there are still insurance companies that care about you and care about the customer.
Stock trading above $113 !!!!
I quit and went to Geico and light years ahead as corporation. I will find way to reach out to people here if interested.
Always be prepared, but these decisions are easier made than executed. In a company like this, it doesn’t happen overnight.
I’d hang in layoffs are coming with consolidations and office closures. Already three brands are merging into one and if I were in mid mgt I’d be working on that resume lol. Next will be hubs and cutting real estate costs. timeline? I’d guess will start this year but that’s total guess if someone has more insight please say so.
Hey genius If your benchmarking data is so accurate and true then share it. Isn’t transparency a corporate value? I call B$ until u show me something it’s just an excuse to cut limit employee liabilities so take your lobbying to politics or something where you’d be at home with no one questioning anything.
I was involved in hiring and promoting employees over a 30+ year career. Leaders are rewarded for good results in their business units. It is their self interests to promote people to leadership that will get results, and make them look good. They’re also held accountable for people they promote. Not once did I witness or hear a leader say “ let me promote this ineffective and unqualified person to this leadership role, so my results will suffer, I’ll get a bad rating, a bad increase, a bad bonus, and maybe get removed !”.
It’s simply not in their interest. If there are two equally qualified people, will they allow relationships or personal bias’s enter the decision ? Yes, but that’s not promoting an unqualified person. Same holds true for hires. It’s in your self interest to hire people that will make you look good and be successful !
Sorry. I’m not saying there aren’t promotion or hiring mistakes, always have been, and always will be, but I’m not buying a systemic effort to put the wrong people in leadership roles.
I had the sour grapes complex when I was passed over for promotions too.
In response to “Said every employee ever...” I’ve seen it occur to many many people. Not referring to just myself. If you’re defending the company’s lazy hiring/promotion practices, I’ve got something to sell you....
There’s no way it’s 10-25% off. I was in a management role, and was involved in salary benchmarking in many, many markets, countrywide. For a $70k job, the band may be $7 k wide, so depending on whether you’re on the bottom or top of the band (based on skill set and experience), there will be some difference. That said, our benchmarking data is rich, and while I think newer employees may make on the low side of an industry average, forget those 25% numbers. That’s usually a local issue, where a leader wasn’t diligent about maintaining competitive salaries.
One other thing. It’s a fact that companies that are new to a market will raid a company like Allstate, who has a reputation for quality training, and “overpay” up front. They don’t always maintain that salary, meaning, in 5 years, the employee may be in no better shape.
I’m no longer there, and can’t speak to the cultural issues, but the “half the pay” thing is BS.
Cfpep: true, it’s not THAT bad. A more realistic figure would be 10-25% less than competitors on average. If it were half, nobody would work for Allstate.
Yes it is ! Thanks !
Agree. If you have market value, go test the market. For those that can’t or won’t, they probably aren’t all that marketable.
I see so many entries on here about “hanging on” for x amount of years. Being miserable is no way to live your life. I got tired of that feeling, that’s what made my decision for me and I’ve been much happier for it. Too much opportunity out there to work for a company that doesn’t appreciate you.
I doubt you found “double the pay” for a similar job in the same industry. While they may be off a percent or two, there’s no way Allstate is paying half the competitive rate for a job. I suspect you went from a support/non-exempt or part time role to a full time/exempt role with another company.
The Con:
Poor Pay
Lack of Benefits
Mental Stability
Politics
Brown Nosing
Nepotism
The Benefit:
Time Off
I left with just as much time off and found double the pay. There ARE options. It just depends on your will to apply for jobs. :) Good luck with your choice. Go with your gut, it is normally right.
I only have a paltry 14 years left to go before I can retire. Should be here before I know it...
Said every employee ever who lost out on a promotion to another employee.
It’s become such a c-appy place to work. Whether it’s the lack of transparency, the MRR nonsense, the limited promotion opportunity, or the toxic culture, there are a myriad of reasons to leave. What turned me off the most was when hard work and tangible business results no longer appeared to qualify an employee for a promotion or new position. It became difficult to tell what the company actually valued from their employees. Some of the promotions were so difficult to comprehend, that I think it turned many people off. When an employee is obviously incompetent and never worked an extra hour in their life ever gets promoted over far more deserving qualified employees, you have to wonder what is going on.
The company is plagued with inept leadership at all levels. In more recent years, it's been the push to promote women at any cost. I have no problem with women being promoted but in recent years, many were obviously handed senior level positions without earning them all to fill the current diversity initiative. The level of ineptness was difficult to deal with to say the least but nobody was allowed to say anything about it. As another poster said, many leaders and senior leaders lie and throw people under the bus to save their jobs or get promoted. I felt that the culture was becoming more and more corrupt over time. It seemed that honest hardworking people were struggling more and more to move up while the more dishonest lazy people seemed to have an easier time getting ahead. I guess it's true when they say birds of a feather flock together.
Leadership kept getting worse and I was tired of fixing things for id–ts. Sr mgmt was morally bankrupt. Lots of MAGA types who think they are leaders when in reality they were just white men and some women who were willing to throw people under the bus and LIE to save their job or get promoted. So many unethical things.... Left a few months ago and it's so much better on the outside!
The toxic corporate culture there led me to make the move. It wasn’t worth my health or sanity. I used to think bully was a snowflake term for those too sensitive-until I experienced a corporate environment that thrives on bullying and gaslighting. They believe the foundation of leadership is fear, intimidation, and a lack of transparency.
My six figure buy out when I was ready to leave anyway motivated me and I’ve never been happier! Don, Ken and Glen can all kiss my a–!
I felt my job would be consolidated. My wife had a more stable situation with benefits that were affordable and good coverage. I "retired" and it took me 2 years to find something but I did and am very happy. We did take an income reduction. However, I don't much of the stress I used to.
I’m in the same predicament. In short, it may very well be the proverbial final straw that will force my decision to leave the company.