Any real insight, how many real customers are really on 5 gheeeee.and how long will it take to build the infrastructure for 5gheeee.they claim that they have it in certain cities but they dont say it's only on this one block.also heared in all the stadium s they claim to have it in ,it doesn't work well.
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https://www.techrepublic.com/article/rain-fade-on-your-parade-why-5g-use-cases-in-business-are-still-years-away/
5g fail
https://www.sdxcentral.com/articles/news/us-operators-encounter-limits-of-5g-on-mmwave-spectrum/2019/03/
OP: 12b84dtA-fyqf - where are your facts to support your statement
OP: 12b84dtA-ewam - I am too VSP class 2019 - I am not shanks. It’s my opinion based on facts and not emotion.
Yes, the website has been compromised and it’s being scrutinized and updated by VZ HR.
I'll take the 400-700Mbps - rain or shine. mmWave doesn't support rain, snow, trees, building, etc. and all that radiation - frying my brain.
He said "secret sauce"! 🤔 Welcome to the Verizon layoff board Shanks! 😜
User: 12b84dtA-duti
Get your facts straight! You can hate Verizon, dont know why but it’s your business. T-Mobile's "5G" network will be built in 600 MHz spectrum and will only be 25-50% faster than its 4G LTE network, perhaps 400-700 megabits.
The low band (600 MHz) systems will always be limited in capacity and are not future proof no matter what special massive Mimo is used- the antennas will be too large and the bandwidths are too small, and simply can't carry the bandwidths of mmwave– the RF channel allocations are simply too small. The wider bandwidth channels at mmwave is the only way to carry the multi Gbps data rates that will be seen in 5G. And to simultaneously also provide backhaul between cells in the same network.
The secret sauce in millimeter wave , that HH was referring as big secret that is not secret, is 400 MHz and 800 MHz channels. The 600 MHz and other low band use 20 and 40 MHz. Tmo' 600 MHz will probably be 400-700 megabits. mmWave is delivering 10gig and 20 gig in the laboratory. Verizon is getting 1 gig to each customer in their trials and can go higher.
Tmobile is the best thanks to 600MHz network providers.
https://youtu.be/nmnTAOU44SI
Until there is. Apple iPhone 5G, 5gheeee is not a consumer’s consideration.
to jlc's question about what "ultra wideband" means.
Yeah, it's marketing speak in a way. VZ's 5G is way up in the mm wave spectrum where they have huge holdings. So they can use 100 MHz channels in the mm wavelengths. They can use four or eight or even ten channels in some places. 4G uses 5 - 20 MHz channels and can maybe string together 60 -80 MHz in some places by pulling some from this band and some from that band (that's carrier aggregation). T-Mob is going to push out 5G in some lower bands, but they won't have 100 MHz wide channels there to deal with. The band in 600 MHz can only hold 35 MHz, maybe 70 MHz depending on how they deploy it.
This is why VZ has advertised 300-600 Mbps speeds, with peaks over 1 Gpbs. T-Mob is going to have 60-70 Mbps speeds, with peaks probably in the 100 Mpbs range. From what I can Google, AT&T is launching 5G in some low bands next year for consumers and in the mm wave bands for business, expect similar results. Sprint has gobs of spectrum in a mid-band (remember them trying to push out Wi-Max?) and they have shown something in the low 200 Mpbs range currently. That's one of the reasons that T-mob wants to buy them.
So yeah, it's marketing speak to emphasize that VZ will have blazing fast 5G compared to T-mob's and AT&T's 5G.
- a former RF engineer and 12/28'er
FiOS doesn't exist in 90% of the country and never will. Not really a good comparison.
Like FIOS Verizon will piecemeal it in different parts. Instead of putting it in non FIOS areas management in its infinite wisdom will put it in FIOS areas if at all. By the time these Boneheads get moving on it the Chinese will be rolling out 6G.
@1xkv : I haven’t heard of anyone working on 5G , period .
I have not heard anyone working with 5G who is impressed by actual performance.
This is a real problem.
I doubt I’ll ever experience it as my town is fighting it based on emf rates and esthetics so it probably won’t be in this area.
Ask McLowell's favorite Wall Street analyst CraigSatOnHisToffet about about Vz coverage vs. T and reliability of the stadium venues to get the real answer.
Haha. It was working well before They decided to purge all the Americans that where building it and start this outsource “more for less” cleche bs. Early separation package and treating their employees like dirt. We build a company worth billions just to watch them throw the network against the rocks. Now they’ve a huge debt, 0% sales growth and have run off the talent. The network side - you can’t just train someone in a couple years, it takes decades because the people really driving the train are from the bottom up.
Our 5G is working as well as the infosys deal. Our leaders need to stop posting and patting each other on the back at bonus time and start working . You don’t see T posting non stop on LinkedIn and there stock is kicking butt
It's a little scary when you see coverage maps. Verizon maps show very little coverage. AT&T shows much better coverage. I hope AT&T is lying, or we are wayyyy behind. Upper Management may want to reconsider finishing the FiOS build, it could provide steady income for the decade it is going to take to make 5g viable.
But the endless Verizon propaganda on TV and social media says it will change the world.
Can someone tell me what "ultra wideband" means? I mean, I know what the definition means when it come to radio spectrum, but what does it have to do with 5g?