Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Bottom 10% Out As A Flawed Management Technique

I never liked the concept of cutting the bottom 10%, or whatever percentage you want. It's like grading on a curve.

Some teams have all exceptional people, and good people get cut. Other teams are full of worthless do-nothings and the majority of them stick around and you constantly swap out the bottom of the barrel. And if you get on someone's bad side, suddenly you're the one at the bottom.

If we truly cut the bottom X percent, that might be one thing, but it doesn't scale to the size of this company. You can't force bottom cuts from every team, you have to bring it up more to the BU level. Smaller, close-knit teams that perform well lose a lot of skills when you cut the bottom performer and no one wants to teach the new guy how to do the job for fear he'll be better than you and then you'll be gone.

There needs to be a minimum performance threshold that keeps you safe. The bottom performers that don't meet that minimum performance should be the ones targeted. If you're the worst on your team, but you're performing satisfactorily or better, why should you be let go just because you're the bottom?

And don't get me started on the good ol' boy / India family system. I was the Tech Lead on a project that ended on time, on budget, with no issues. I was in the bottom 10% because I "failed to manage the project to my manager's satisfaction." A Project Manager managed a different project that was behind schedule, over budget, only delivered a quarter of what they initially said it would, and now 9 yrs later STILL isn't off the ground was ranked in the top 5%. Guess who played golf with the boss and who didn't? How do you manage a project that basically fails to deliver and be a top performer? And why is a technical lead expected to "manage" a project when there's a project manager assigned to the project?

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I miss the days of the lower 5%. I was never worried. Now that we're all seen as interchangeable cogs, there's a fear that if a given project doesn't pan out, all the people are axed. Not too conducive to innovation. ;) I think it would be more helpful if the LR list were published, although I get that that could be a nightmare for legal...

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Post ID: @3vvi+13J0JJjD

CX appears to be a very fluid org - something Very wrong going on there.
Layoffs being going on for the last few years running.

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Post ID: @2idh+13J0JJjD

I was a golden boy at Cisco in 1999 as en engineering manager - worked on key accounts and helped grow the company dramatically for 15 years. I was still a top performer when I was laid off, SJ decided to decimate the site versus lay off their friends. I played the bottom 10 game for years it was comical. A bunch of managers in a room who know nothing of each others staff, trying to stack rank them, knowing that those "below the line" would be hit by the next LR.

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Post ID: @1gzd+13J0JJjD

This whole bottom 10% is easily provable as BS. Just think about the fact that we lay off so many 10-15+ year veterans. You’re trying to tell me that some dude is good enough to keep around for a decade or two, and then he/she is in the bottom 5-10%. I could have believed that in the first round or two, but this just stretches credibility. I could see a few being let go when a legacy product is retired or outsourced and the execs just figure - we’ll shoot the whole group. But any list of LR’ed people is just heavy with these people.
Then you get all the execs in meetings talking about “rebalancing” the company towards EIC (early in career) and diversity hires.
It’s simply about money and not about talent.

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Post ID: @1ddh+13J0JJjD

BOTTOM 10% OF WHAT?

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Post ID: @1wsl+13J0JJjD

I don't think the managers at Cisco are competent enough to know which employees are good and which are bad. I've been there 15+ years and as far as I can tell its a c-ap shoot. Dead wood hangs around for decades and good talent people get the ax. One thing is for sure Cisco management is clueless.

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Post ID: @1owb+13J0JJjD

DUDE

CISCO DOES NOT MEASURE PERFORMANCE

Where are you pulling this bottom 10% cr@p from?

Age-years of service-salary...pure age discrimination. Get real.

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Post ID: @fbf+13J0JJjD

I like how someone took my comment on some other thread and made it it's own thread. I guess it resonated with someone.

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Post ID: @tay+13J0JJjD

Nepotism at its best here in RCDN... don't believe it? Ask around.... The whole CX is full of indians - you have to constantly remind them to speak English during Webex calls. What the f is going with Cisco?

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Post ID: @ecl+13J0JJjD

Cisco is a relationship based company, never has been performance based.

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Post ID: @oul+13J0JJjD

good post

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