Is it fair to layoff employees during this Coronavirus crisis?
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I'm not sure a layoff is ever "fair" in any case... is it more fair around christmas? Thanksgiving? Labor day? If there is a recession?
Life isn’t fair. But we aren’t in a recession either.
Count your blessings if Coronavirus isn’t changing life. Google Cobra’s heavy expense price. Would it pain you to pay it? UNEMPLOYED + COBRA.
"Cisco" doesn't care about any employee as a family member. And hasn't in a LONG time. There are individual managers who care about their teams, and encourage their team to work from home when they're not feeling well or to take time off to deal with family matters, but when the bean counters say it's time to trim the fat, those same managers have no say in the decision. No one above your immediate manager cares about you and your personal situation.
I will amend the above comment by saying that Cisco seems to care about it's employees in this time of the pandemic. First allowing us to work from home, then mandating that we work from home. Stating that they're going to continue to pay the housekeeping & cafe hourly staff even though the buildings & cafes are shut down. How much of this is they actually care about the people they keep or if it's just because they're afraid of the negative press if they don't do these things, but bottom line is that they're trying to "care" about us during the pandemic. Doesn't change the fact that they don't care about the financial and emotional impacts to the employees they lay off during each "limited restructuring" that they do ALL the time.
I'm really impressed by the number of positive reactions to the whole comment.
Is there a basis for law suit? In additional to age discrimination, can we use pandemic crisis as another reason?
Planning to not sign the package.
Good luck proving age discrimination. Cisco has enough lawyers to be able to review the HR supplied lists to ensure that they can defend against any age discrimination law suits. They'll call it a "cost savings" because older employees are further along in their career and therefor make more $, so it's not age discrimination.
There's no federal protection for pandemic. Biology doesn't discriminate. And the LR occurred before there were reported cases in the U.S.
You're giving up free money from Cisco and you're going to waste money trying to sue when you signed an arbitration agreement when you were hired saying you agreed not to sue Cisco in court. The arbitrators will side with Cisco because it was cost related (which is a side effect of age).
Good luck w/ your lawsuit.
Is there a basis for law suit? In additional to age discrimination, can we use pandemic crisis as another reason?
Planning to not sign the package.
@jtw+13SLKzDf keep parroting the same bs. I bet you are one of those v2moms. Lol!
Is it fair to layoff employees during this Coronavirus crisis?
No, but life is never fair. Is it fair for a company-not Cisco-that holds all 401(k) matching until the end of the year to do layoffs that terminate an employee's employment 2 or 3 days before the end of the year so that they don't have to pay out that match? No, but there are companies that do.
Is it fair to have LR's "out of the blue"? Used to, under Chambers, Cisco would announce a WFR or LR a couple of months before it happened and employees could postpone any significant purchases like homes or new cars until after the impacts occurred to see if they were impacted. Now you don't know when it's coming until the ax falls. And with it occurring in different quarters instead of Q1 following the year-end earnings statement, you can't even make your financial decisions in the Spring.
Cisco was rated top place to work and is indeed is. Cisco cares for each employee as a family member.
"Cisco" doesn't care about any employee as a family member. And hasn't in a LONG time. There are individual managers who care about their teams, and encourage their team to work from home when they're not feeling well or to take time off to deal with family matters, but when the bean counters say it's time to trim the fat, those same managers have no say in the decision. No one above your immediate manager cares about you and your personal situation.
Cisco is a job. Nothing more, nothing less. It's a paycheck and decent benefits. Don't give this company any more loyalty than it gives you.
Actually , since coronavirus is going to wipe us out, LRs will no longer be an issue.
Fairness is not a word in the vocabulary of this company.
Fair has nothing to do with it.
The manufactured "crisis" of coronavirus is just the latest way for Silicon Valley to cover for the fact that they are destroying their companies with their ridiculous freak of the week , HR-driven mismanagement circus.
The consumer demand for their tech and their cash reserves are so high , despite years of SJW social experimentation stupidity, market ignorance and pathetic business strategy, they have been able to cover for epic failure after epic failure.
At some point, the circus music will stop and Cisco will be held accountable by their investors for their idiocy. Their repatriated billions can only prop up the corpse of Cisco for so long.
I'm not sure a layoff is ever "fair" in any case... is it more fair around christmas? Thanksgiving? Labor day? If there is a recession?
never let a good crisis go to waste.... I suspect even more may be laid off than usual...
Cisco was rated top place to work and is indeed is. Cisco cares for each employee as a family member.
Don't care for employees, some groups like SPNS are forcing employees to work Sundays
Cisco cares... I'm part of the cisco family!
Off the top of my head, I can think of two big companies that have cared about employees... Costco and Toyota
Ok I'm no fan of Cisco (among other industry giants), but when has ANY company ever cared about being Fair? To that idea, is it fair to lay off during a recession? Or how about in October since companies typically don't do anything in Nov or Dec.
Seriously, can you name a "big company" that has cared in the past 40 years?