Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

A 15 year Cisco Perspective

I see a lot of Cisco bashing here. And I agree with some of it. But companies are often trapped in their DNA. And sometimes, as they fight for mid term survival, the worst in the company's DNA comes out, the reptilian instincts take over and it simply accelerates its demise. I am not sure where exactly on that journey Cisco is.

My first Cisco journey lasted only 3 years, all the way into the bubble. We were invincible. I left the company before the bubble burst and did just enjoy myself for a few years. Cisco had been good to me.

I then rejoined the workforce and rejoined Cisco in 2005. It has become a very different company. The arrogance of the late 90's was completely shot, the company had been humbled. However, it was an empowering environment for top contributors, you didn't have to be a Director or VP to speak at major industry conferences, and some cool new technology good productized that gave Cisco a successful run. It was no longer based on hype, they were very useful -yet not groundbreaking- innovations based on simply listening to customers' needs.

A couple of horrible executive runs later (no names), the culture had changed. More and more, senior individual contributors were confined to anonymity and the only visible figureheads were Directors and above. I don't mind making my managers look great, but throw me an effing bone here and there and give me visibility. The company culture took a vicious turn with that. I forgot when the retirement incentive stuff went down, but I was devastated I didn't qualify. Those were some lucky, lucky m-fers and I pity the ones that didn't take that package.

After that, the company culture took a freefall. Everybody knew their job was under scrutiny. The massive 2014 layoff event happened, where long standing super-loyal employees were stabbed in the back by management (please no McKinsey recommendation excuses, as another poster in the know mentioned) that were extremely important to Cisco knowledge and had loyal customer respect were let go.

That is when I decided to go. One thing not many people know is that many of those people had a lot of money "parked" with loyal ecosystem partners and vendors that made a lot of stuff happen for Cisco. I think the loss to Cisco was in the billions. One of those departing people offered me to take over a parked fund of $250k to do "whatever needs to be done", I cringed and declined and have never talked to them again because I wanted no association with that. Yes it violated policy, but it got things done.

Things got even worse after 2014. There was immense internal backstabbing. There was a lot of management that had been promoted way beyond their competence level that had lost their ability to listen to anyone, you felt like "I may not be at your level, but I really know this subject area more than you'll ever do... at least listen to me?". But no, it was the Trump management style, "nobody knows more about X than I do!"... and RIP went the business.

The politics behind the move to subscriptions were Byzantine and ridiculous. And the journey of course slow, because Cisco can't wean itself off overpriced hardware, a model that will freefall just like DEC's minicomputers did. Or Sun's stuff.

Anyhow good luck. Cisco was good to me. I don't wish it any evil, but it did become a dictated clown-show from the top. I left in 2016 and life has been good. Never as good as that initial 3 year run with Cisco, ever, which was epic.

Oh and wash your hands and stay safe, everybody.

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Yeah, let H1Bs go back to whatever home countries they hail from. Fix your countries so you don't have to resort to job-stealing. If you are so smart, why the heck are fleeing your motherland?

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Post ID: @5ryb+13XZ9AxK

What’s the future for H1bs ? Must be treated same as Citizens ?

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Post ID: @5bpn+13XZ9AxK

Cisco Systems was a amazing company, Cisco not so much, JC would always submarine stock with his caution 1/4 calls but believe he really cared, Chuck is Chuck....just playing the angle, hire fat ladies to be his ELT and pay for best place to work, he gets paid.

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Post ID: @5dlv+13XZ9AxK

Politics don't matter. The issue is dramatic change in philosophy towards the common worker. In late 90s, early 2000s; common for many to work consecutive days with three or four hours sleep and work CAP cases around the clock. A colleague in early 2000s was on a P1 CAP case call for a bank for over 24 hours non-stop. People willfully had that behavior because it was their true drive and were happy to be part of a team - the "Cisco Family". Nowadays, why sacrifice that behavior, if one is truly motivated to that level, if there is an ongoing LR framework. That is why the truly gifted are leaving, especially the senior folks. The old Cisco is gone for good. The ability to attract those that truly stand out is probably gone for good, so welcome to the new world of perpetual mediocrity (no performance review required).

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Post ID: @5bxt+13XZ9AxK

Few trolls were trying to hijack the thread with political rants, got deleted.

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Post ID: @4xgg+13XZ9AxK

The mods here are heavy handed. The best moderation is the least. Power tripping...

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Post ID: @4wtc+13XZ9AxK

I can related to the post very much! The senior level manager's technical knowledge is pathetic and their approach is always keep their boss happy. I left in 2015, and I am happy I am not at Cisco.

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Post ID: @3pyl+13XZ9AxK

Yes, a couple of days of posts are gone.

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Post ID: @3zbb+13XZ9AxK

My comment about many of them in Europe doesn’t make a lot of sense when the mod deletes tracks of responses at random. It was in response to a deleted reply about borders closing. Why it was deleted, I have no idea.

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Post ID: @3pfk+13XZ9AxK

Was with Cisco between 13-19. Things started going downhill fast with new management, lots of backstabbing and lies. The new management has an "inner circle" and some of the TE's are used to find who is supportive of the new management and those who questioned anything or had any balls to speak up were forced out.

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Post ID: @3nee+13XZ9AxK

Yes, and many of them in Europe.

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Post ID: @3yqe+13XZ9AxK

I used to work in Supply Chain for a while. In 2014 I was a scapegoat when there was a big shortage due to the supplier. I didn't get let go, I went looking somewhere else. (BTW, you can make more $ leaving Cisco). You are right, there was backstabbing left and right, and my Director didn't have the balls to stand up for me. The funny thing is that this certain Director "retired" in 2019. Where retired = pushed out. There was a shady narrative going on where my management was trying to hype me up to other groups, but really tying to get rid of me. And told me to be hush hush about it. I can't believe that certain useless VPs are still there, name rhymes with Mike. What does he do other than tell corny dad jokes and smile at all hands?

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Post ID: @1fyy+13XZ9AxK

Great post. Thank you OP this is probably the best post on the site.

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Post ID: @1iai+13XZ9AxK

Yes, very nicely stated. .

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Post ID: @slk+13XZ9AxK

OK BOOMER

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