Expats do not create value to justify associated benefits
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Ha ha. Going on about UK / Europe Expats milking it in the US. It's been the other way for years. the UK / Europe BU's have spent a fortune housing and education for all the Yankees Expats that milked it for so long there.
id–ts here all. Being an expat and moving your family away from home to foreign soil is hard, it s—s. The benefits, of moving expenses paid, rent paid, all expenses paid, salary bonus do not offset the "it is not home". The first 6 months are fun, in you mind it appears to be a vacation. After six months the reality hits that you are stuck wherever, and 3rd world countries like Canada and Japan s—. The rat hole where the oil/gas field exist are much worse, having to rid the ox cart to work. After the first year the wife starts b*tchin I need to be with my family, and it goes downhill fast. money is not everything.
The Europeans are the biggest joke. If they even have an advanced degree it is normally an MS which is just a six month book report.
Give them credit where it is due— expats learn how to milk the system. Only issue is they milked it for too long and too much. Too much milk collection makes Chevron cost ineffective. Now it is the time to save the Chevron cow by stopping milkmen expats. Hope Chevron will listen to this, as this adds no productivity gain only a cost increase. One expat can save 2 US jobs— this is about productivity gain per $.
By the way, Britts deserve expat jobs- just because of their queen’s English.
Eliminating one expat job will save one US job - something to think about.
Just noticed alot of previous posts just got deleted from this thread.
That explains why we haven’t made an impact discovery since Agbami!!
what a sham it is to see so many Brits getting paid housing, private schools, premiums etc etc that still whine why they sit next to us US payroll employees that work harder getting half the pay . This has been a rort that has gone on for too long. One recent British payroll expat in USA (Moved to Angola) and his five children have scammed the system for years. Did you know all the exploration leadership team reporting to the exploration president with exception of one are expats receiving benefits. This is ridiculous. If Chevron wants to be competitive they need to shut all this down. We layoff while we try to save poor expats. It is starting to create bubbling tension in the workplace. US expats are sent home and there are no jobs they are laid off. No Brits are ever sent home even if they underperform
Webex' them, easy fix with INSTANT savings to report. Time to join the digital revolution!!! "SME's" can still train and coach and develop those "unprepared colleagues" everywhere. Just look at the results of these MCP's full of expats and guru's everywhere...satisfied?
The UK ones will still miss their cups of tea, but hey...switch to coffee then!
The Chevron Expat model no longer makes financial sense. With the closure of most overseas BU’s and nationalisation efforts by remaining countries, there are limited US expats overseas. Reciprocal expat arrangements make sense for training of a few younger employees. For U.K. and Europe there are about 100 expats in the U.S. for every CVX expat in the U.K./Europe. The cost for expats in the US are at least double of a US employee and the education level is generally less. This imbalance appears to be due to some PDC reps being foreign Expats with a bias against “cowboys who can only speak one language”. Therefore in Houston in some groups the majority of senior leaders are highly paid foreign nationals apparently biased against US citizens. Exxon and other companies have much more balance and reciprocity.
Expats are not required for most of the roles, they have a place but the current model needs overhauling. Like it or not but US Expats no longer have the educational or experience advantage once enjoyed. Evident by the billions lost on every major project they have overseen or operate.
Highly skilled? Same hightly skilled US expats who responibilty was not running billions over for the Wheatstone, Gorgon and now TCO projects? Lets give them anorher expat assignment shall we. Did you also know companies without US expats exist. I call BS there is equal US expats to host countries. Can't say I have seen many Filipino, Kazak or Africans in the US business units nor have they lost as many billions as US expats have. Maybe time to send US expats home and see if they loose as much as the experts?
The foreign-payroll expats exist in domestic BU's due to obligatory reciprocity programs that exist in host countries where there are US-payroll expats. This is always always in consideration whenever a US-payroll employee is sent overseas, the ratio of foreign/US-payroll has to tread this precarious balance in order not to disrupt or impact any host government's national OC requirement plans.
Mass repatriations of foreign payroll personnel back to their home countries will mean mass repatriations of US-payroll career/ lifelong expats who are highly skilled and placed in competition with all you guys. So better get your connections straight and make sure they put out before meritocracy can take place.
$10K??? it is much much more. I have been in expat assignments and for sure is hundreds of thousands more to have an expat here vs. local. granted, the premium in the US is lower, but just consider this:
- 10% premium tax protected: $15,000 or whatever you want to make it.
- housing allowance $3,500-$5,000/month
- Cost of living allowance probably another $2,000
- Spouse assistance: $10,00/year
- if kids, the private schools in houston Tuition (Awty or Village) is $25K/kid/year
- The move is probably $25K
- bunch of one time payments to cover losses selling car, buy appliances etc.
We should build a wall or something.
It's not xenophobia, or any phobia. Its how to keep costs down. Any idea what it costs to keep someone here from overseas vs. a local? It easily exceeds 10K just to move them here. Is there any additional value added by putting them there if there is plenty of local talent. In this environment, should be plenty of people from other companies looking also.
That's right. There is more US expats so yes send them home. Lets be honest they don't add real value anyway to real complex facilities like LNG. For the record oil refining is not as complex as LNG.
There is no need for expats in the US, other than for development of OC in BUs overseas, and now is not the time for that. There is plenty of competency in the local workforce in CNAEP. I do understand the need for expats in new areas or in developing countries that do not have a big pool of qualified candidates.
Strong words from our chairman to manage costs, but we will likely not see any action on expats. Meanwhile many US payroll souls are facing the axe.
How many expat HR managers do we need in San Ramon and Houston?
Why are we sending IT expats to Australia and bringing Aussie IT expats to US?
UC D&C and GOM expats are GODS. Please don't touch them. We will be adding more.
So bring them home
Chevron’s values are supposed to reflect meritocracy and not nepotism, right? Is not what your hear in the politically correct management speeches? But somehow the message changes at the PDC’s when the “I scratch your back and you scratch mine” syndrome prevails.
I’ve worked with 2 UK “Engineering Guru’s” over the past 3 years and all I’ve seen is the same slides with more Shakespearean jargon evolving from version to version. Zero improvements to our engineering processes and IP have been reached. Instead, they just keep adding questions and highlight “how bad things are” to perpetuate their presence. 2 guys brought to Houston for this? And on top of that we have to deal with their bragging too?
Where did the accountability go?
We are an American company. It makes sense to have Americans in expat jobs just like it is to have French at the Total building , Italians for ENI etc. But they should be good. Not just an a– kissers.
Many of the expats I have worked with are very good. You not enjoying the competition?
Savings could be up to half a billion US$. This is unjustified when WTI is around $15.
It is about not splurging Chevron’s fund. Expats must create value to justify their presence.
If GOM can’t turn a profit this year they will end up like AMBU.
Ah, nothing like a little bit of xenophobia. How about this? Get back to work.
Do not expose a can of worms. There are more American Expats overseas. If all expats are asked to go back to base. There would be tough competition for all positions and more Americans will be left standing!