Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

RIF and why it's happening (memoirs from an old man) 😂

The sad thing is this is way to common in the mega corporate environment. What happens is when the world is not apperantly burning down and the sky falling there are certain workers rights that have to be protected or corporations face legal action thus preventing any quick major restructuring. What Honeywell (and many other mega corporations) is doing is using the national emergency declaration to do a massive company wide restructuring to adapt the corporation to today's and tomorrow's emerging marketplace. A process that usually would take months if not years and millions of dollars and countless court appearances and meetings to try and appease its mega share holders now can be done in a weeks due to the fact that they dont have to worry about employees rights or other laws and regulations that would normally make a company think many times over what and how they will go about the restructuring process. The truth is Homeywell has over the years acquired many other companies in many different fields that it has been required through contracts and regulations to retain a certain portion of its workforce. By hiding behind the emergency declaration they can RIF all of there assets at once without it negatively impacting there stock prices while reducing there overhead dramatically and consolidating much of there assets under one "branch" therefore not needing most of the employees that came as "baggage" when acquiring the new assets. Also, you have to think how technology has evolved over the years since 9/11 when they did there last major restructuring. Where before it might take a whole team of people to accomplish one project, now a single person with a laptop or just a handful of close teammates can do while longing in a coffee shop thanks to advancements in technology. It's just the way the world is evolving. I hate what HzoN is doing, but from the eyes of the big executives on the top they were not hired to give a darn about any of us... They were hired to watch out for the bottom line and make the tough decisions when it came to increasing the bottom line. The best any of us can hope for right now is that we have a good relationship with our direct supervisor and that they are willing to Wright you a great recommendation letter because they are probably the closest thing there is at a mega corporation like HON to someone that might give a darn about you or your family or the fact you have to pay Bill's and put food on the table no matter what happens. So my advice to everyone is make sure any loose ends are tied up and any bad blood is buried with your supervisor and start asking them to write recommendation letters for you or atleast if they are ok with you getting there contact info so that when you are RIFed you can then contact them for a reference. Everyone that is loosing there mind over all of this needs to figure out how to come to terms with it and start the moving on process because trust me it's a lot easier to do if you have accepted your fate than lie to yourself and have to deal with it when there is no more money coming in. HON has been good to me for years, but I have always known that it might come to an end one day so I am at peace with having to find a new job even in this c-appy economy. Just remember no matter how fancy or honest seeming the faces on the HR posters seem or upper management have misled you to believe no one in a big corporation cares about you as an individual or you 12 kids or sick wife or dying dog or leaking roof or broke down car. They were hired to care about the amount of money coming in and the amount of money going out so find someone else to be p-ss-d off at rather than bellyaching all day about how could they do this to you since you have been so loyal to them for 900 years!! Now that I have wrote a novel and probably p-ss-d several people off I'm going to go dust off my resume and cover letter and give it a nice big update because lord knows I'm probably going to need it come next week.

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As a former management type, I gave recommendations through LinkedIn or told people to list me as a reference. Could care less what HON's policy was. If the person was a great employee, and especially if they were screwed by HON, they got a recommendation from me.

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Post ID: @2sjz+15BmdNJ9

The author misses the point completely. The biggest single reason that Honeywell is circling the bowl, other than no innovation, wasting shareholder equity on stock buybacks instead of R&D, ZERO vision, and a complete and utter lack of humanity, is that the people that make the bottom line happen have been severely mistreated. And for what? A few dollars in what has all become folly. Bob Dylan once wrote that all the money you made will never buy back your soul.

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Post ID: @1qzf+15BmdNJ9

This can be said for any company, especially in Aerospace

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Post ID: @1ksd+15BmdNJ9

From my understanding, if the call is made through the Honeywell line/ email, managers can not give a recommendation. But if the request is made through the manager's personal cell phone or email, there is nothing Honeywell can do. With that said, make sure you ask a recommendation from a manager that you get along with, and not one that you hate.

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Post ID: @1ikh+15BmdNJ9

@1bac unfortunately its company policy not to allow recommendations. And it makes getting hired somewhere else a massive pain. I was lucky to have some peer managers break the rule for me.

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Post ID: @1kyi+15BmdNJ9

I dont think we are even allowed to write recommendations on LinkedIn. As a Manager I was asked to do that but I don't think it's allowed.

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Post ID: @1ygi+15BmdNJ9

You probably have at least one former supervisor who has decided to retire, was part of a RIF themselves, or is working elsewhere. From my experience, they will be glad to give you a recommendation.

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Post ID: @1qfo+15BmdNJ9

if you are a manager or supervisor you are different than a coworker, no recommendations.

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Post ID: @1uwe+15BmdNJ9

@1rir Who people give recommendations to during their own time is none of Honeywell's business. The company can get f—ed if it thinks it can stop people from giving recommendations to their former coworkers. What's next? They stop you from applying for other jobs?

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Post ID: @1bac+15BmdNJ9

Your supervisor cannot write a letter of recommendation. It is against company policy and puts his job at risk. Only reference comes from HR with only the dates you worked for the company and job title.

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Post ID: @1rir+15BmdNJ9

@kwe+ thanks for the cliff notes on my post I was afraid that it was to long but did not know how to summarize it properly but you did a great job!!

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Post ID: @1lav+15BmdNJ9

Reader's Digest version of the original post in case you were thinking "TLDR" (I thought there were some good points worth repeating):

  • Honeywell needs to restructure dramatically to continue to be profitable in the years ahead in a changing environment
  • COVID and the current gov't bailout legislation are a way to short circuit the restructuring, which would be lengthy and legally painful during normal times
  • Senior management are beholden first and foremost to the bottom line (I would add "and shareholders")
  • your immediate supervisor may be a good reference, make sure you get reference letters now or make sure you have personal contact info for them
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Post ID: @kwe+15BmdNJ9

Poetic Wisdom only someone with years of observations could make. Very clear and to the point!

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Post ID: @ajo+15BmdNJ9

Wall of text with no paragraph breaks equals can't wade through it.

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