Thread regarding IBM layoffs

Things may not be that bad

IBM's transformation may resemble Microsoft's transition to the cloud. As this metamorphosis continues, IBM could again become one of the most respected names in the tech industry.

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Post ID: @OP+169qvZ6a

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OP should get out of Armonk and see the real world for a change.

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Post ID: @hefx+169qvZ6a

It IS that bad. The “transformation” started 3 years ago and IBM isn’t even the conversation when talking about the major Cloud players.

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Post ID: @fpsi+169qvZ6a

The biggest problem for IBM is customers may get leary of using IBM Cloud if it so unsuccessful in the marketplace. Usually the tech market respects the top three and after that only uses the others for specialty use cases. Right now IBM is destined to not be in the top three.

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Post ID: @4otb+169qvZ6a

IBM Cloud is a joke. This is based on my first hand experiene in selling and delivering IBM Cloud solutions to clients. IBM has lost the Cloud war several years ago. Unless IBM white labels AWS or Azure Cloud under its IBM Cloud brand ( not sure why clients would go to IBM to buy it vs going direct with these vendors), I do not see how it can compete against the top three Cloud vendors.

To the poster who thinks IBM’s value prop is Cloud migration of mainframe to IBM Cloud, there are three huge issues. First, it would be a mistake to cannibalize mainframe for a non-mainframe based platform. Once on IBM Cloud it could be easily migrated to other Cloud vendors’ platform at a cheaper run cost. Second, public Cloud vendors have already realized the revenue locked in with mainframes. They and their business partners now have tools to migrate mainframe code to Cloud native solutions. Third, IBM will not invest for the migration. But other vendors will. I known of one who is already funding the entire mainframe rolloff to their cloud.

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Post ID: @4zrk+169qvZ6a

Microsoft was not managed by incompetents during its transition. Microsoft did not lay off tens of thousands of employees during its transition. Microsoft created products people wanted during its transition. Microsoft was an industry leader during its transition. Which part of any of this resembles IBM?

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Post ID: @2zac+169qvZ6a

By laying off employees that has been in IBM for 15 plus years and shipping jobs overseas? 😡

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Post ID: @2xim+169qvZ6a

IBM has been dead money for years. Buy small companies and try and expand through the global sales force. Lay off people in US and call it a win. What a joke. Ask Tony Saggonochi or any respectable analyst. IBM HR trolls will try and discredit any bad news. Facts already facts.

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Post ID: @1bma+169qvZ6a

If Google buys IBM do existing IBMers receive a Noggle hat or are those only for new hires. I guess it could be negotiated in.

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Post ID: @1msv+169qvZ6a

If Google buys IBM, expect the services dilemma (perform non-mainframe) to be fixed/spun off first. Google wants to grow their cloud as fast as they can. Services without perform is compelling to them. It’s a way to grow cloud that they don’t have to compete for and that is a locked in monopoly Hper-scalers love monopolies. Just ask Microsoft

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Post ID: @1opd+169qvZ6a

Google should just buy IBM and clean it up!

Come on Google...

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Post ID: @1pjj+169qvZ6a

Completely delusional.

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Post ID: @jrp+169qvZ6a

If I had to speculate IBM and Google will partner. IBM and Google already partner on Power via a co-opitition type of arrangement. Google takes a finders fee for marketing power on cloud and outsources to GTS. IBM uses the IBM cloud directly. I expect IBM to expand that relationship even more as the summer moves along.

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Post ID: @lnj+169qvZ6a

We are trained to support Azure & AWS but not IBM Cloud. Draw your own conclusions.

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Post ID: @atp+169qvZ6a

Sorry for the delayed response - I was busy rolling around on the floor laughing at your ridiculous supposition. Over 30 years ago, IBM stopped trying to delight their clients with groundbreaking, reliable products and services in favour of vapourware, half-baked hardware and a "make and support it cheap while milking clients for all we can" approach. They managed to fool the markets by manipulating results until 2013 (with a stock price in excess of $200) by which time the underlying brain-drain, lack of R&D spend and a failure to recognise and be an active leader in cloud computing has left us with the company we now know. Until they put clients first and realise that by doing so, the stock price will take care of itself, they are doomed.

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Post ID: @gan+169qvZ6a

Trolls from IBM HR posting this c-ap??

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Post ID: @tpk+169qvZ6a

Nope. IBM chose to cost compete with India body shops and use the minimal profit to dump into overpaid SWEs in Cloud&Cognitive who build niche, directionless software with complete disregard to the market. 10 years of this trajectory is impossible to reverse.

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Post ID: @jey+169qvZ6a

Can we all agree IBM is the incumbent when it comes to mainframe. So now as the IBM rep, you are sitting in front of the CIO/CEO, and say “I’ll throw in all of your mainframe SW for Free if you give me the Cloud business including conversion of the legacy SW”. When you are the incumbent it’s pretty easy to structure terms that advantage you. As the CIO/CEO you may not have wanted to do business with IBM, but getting Mainframe SW for free drops to the bottom line instantly and you are a hero

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Post ID: @jew+169qvZ6a

There is little chance that IBM will follow Microsft's path. Microsoft has leveraged their Office 365 solution to get the whole business world to start use their cloud services.
IBM does not have this type of marketing angle to get companies onto the IBM Cloud. Many IBM customer's seem focused on reducing IBM services footprint as they consider IBM to be legacy, hard to deal with, inflexible and slow among other things. The other cloud providers have a much more compelling story. And the cloud was invented to transform the rigid and expensive IBM-led model of Data Center computing. In essence, to get rid of IBM.
IBM thinks they can win in phase 2 of the cloud migration but they will most likely end up well behind AWS, Azure, and Google. The majority of customers in the marketplace seem to want to work with true hyper-scalers. What self-respecting, fast-moving, forward-thinking CIO will chose IBM for cloud? Only time will tell but probably not very many.

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