My letter from Xerox today. How long can we pay are bills on $579.00 a week.
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The furlough may have appeared in your favor when it started, but it's not. It's a way for the company to keep a long leash on you. There are more reasons to LEAVE than stay.
Look for another job. If you're lucky you'll get one before they even think about calling you back into the abyss. It may pay less, but you won't feel like you do now. THIS you can control, not the company.
To clarify the previous poster’s comment on federal vs state unemployment taxes, The effective FUTA tax Is a maximum of $42 per worker While the federal government contributes 50% of extended unemployment benefits (when a state has a high unemployment rate) out of this fund, the remainder is paid by the state. So in NYS the first 26 weeks is funded in full by the state. The state collects those funds from the previous employer(s) as outlined in an earlier post.
Because of Covid-19, the federal government passed the CARES act. Through this the federal government is paying for 13 weeks of extended unemployment benefits. The state is not being asked to supply any portion of the funding for this extension so the employers will not be contributing to this extension either. The extra $600 that people were receiving until the end of July was also part of CARES. Since these are being funded by the federal government outside of the normal employment process they are coming out of our tax dollars.
As someone who has benefited from unemployment a couple of times in my career, I’m glad it was available. I have seen many people who kept their homes & food on their tables because of it.
There is Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) and State Unemployment Tax Act(SUTA). They work together.
These taxes are part of payroll taxes to the business. The employee pays for none of it.* There are no deductions on your check that go to either program unless you live in one of four states. And in those four states the employer still funds most of it.
That said, any economist would say it is a roundabout tax on the employee as the employer could pay the employee a higher wage if not for this tax. Most of the tax money is spent paying salaries and pensions to bureaucrats at the unemployment office.
In a nutshell, another wasteful Franklin D. Roosevelt program costing employees potentially 7% - 12% (depending on which state you live in) less earnings if the tax didn't exist on employers.
Here are the unemployment rules in NYS:
The New York Unemployment Insurance Law, Article 18 of the New York State Labor Law, requires employers to fund the state's unemployment system by paying state employment taxes. Employers may not collect contributions from their employees to help them subsidize their tax liabilities.
The last employer the claimant worked for, before filing a claim for benefits, is charged for the first seven weeks of benefits paid to the claimant. The remaining weeks of benefits charged to employers are prorated among all of the base period employers the claimant worked for.
@4ecl+16CWr4TO technician = payroll deduction tax expert. Got it. Clearly you know what you're talking about. Versus people who do the job. Okie dokie.
You can keep lying all you want. There is no deduction on your paycheck that goes to UI. Just like there is no deduction on your paycheck that goes for liability insurance in case you break something in business you are visiting on Xerox's behalf. There are all sorts of costs that you don't pay for.
My last day was at Xerox today. I was a five year technician with the X. I start with a new company Monday. I am a blue collar worker who has interviewed with five companies this past month. The nurse who conducted my pre employment d–g screening says she does 20 of them a day from all different employers.
My point is get a job instead of wallowing in self pity. The UI insurance covers something like 20%-55% of your pre layoff earnings. It's paid for by the company to the state. The $400 and $600 weekly bonus is eventually paid by me and others who work via Federal Taxes.
I don't know you. I don't want to support you. Go to your friends/family/church if you need that sort of thing. They can judge if you are really trying. Uncle Sam dishing it out from me to you means its just 'free money'. It's already created a mindset that has resulted in a class of welfare dependent people with no sense of personal responsibility.
“It’s a dirty game ..By furloughing you Xerox gets you off the payroll and puts you on the government payroll “..This was a quote from
HR to our managers ..
@3zgn+16CWr4TO How brilliant of you to imply that people can just simply get a job at this time.
@3zgn+16CWr4TO wow you are dense. Ok ok... yes our employers have to legally pay Unemployment. Every quarter. Unemployment is funded by us, the employees, the workers. That's what part of our deductions go to every single paycheck. Well at least us blue collar workers anyway. Maybe the elite don't pay into it - you got me there. At least I know where my money goes and what is morally right if I were to lose my job. Clearly I wouldn't want to work for you... if you laid me off, you'd be like... "sorry - that's my money that I paid, not yours. Unemployment - denied." Good luck.
“Our bills”. Get a job.
Unemployment is almost entirely funded by employers. Only three states—Alaska, New Jersey and Pennsylvania—assess unemployment taxes on employees, and it’s a small portion of the overall cost.
They pay it because it's the law.
Down-vote this all you want but employees don't pay the taxes towards UI.
CSEs cost Xerox approx $15 an hour on top of the CSEs wages. Do you think the employee pays that too? Remember when all the former Xerox analysts could no longer do site visits? HCL did have in$urance for it.
No company is paying 400 or 600 a week towards UI. It is the TAX PAYER that gets stuck with the bill. IE Those who are PRODUCING something of value. Your options are b!itch like a welfare queen how hard it is to pay bills with other peoples money when you don't even work...or GET A JOB
You might not have been furloughed if you knew to use the proper pronoun
Look for work now while you technically still have a job
@2wrp+16CWr4TO where do you think the company gets the money to pay into unemployment? It doesn't magically exist and they definitely don't just pay into it from the bottom of their heart. It comes from your paycheck. I used to do payroll and pay payroll taxes for businesses. This is how it works. The government's temporary stipend is in addition to what you qualify for.
@1peo+16CWr4TO The company pays for UI. The employee pays 0.
The 600 bump per week from the Fed which is now 400 a week is not funded by UI. It was an id–tic program rewarding those with low skill jobs with more money than they made when working. They should have just made it 80% of earnings.
You make more than I do, and I'm still working here.
@1peo: I do not see a UI deduction in my paycheck. Instead my state tax withholdings go into a general fund to pay for others who are unemployed. If your description were true, I should have $250k plus stashed away for my 25 yrs of continuous employment. Doubt my state will ever pay me all that I have contributed.
@1xle+16CWr4TO - you don't pay for other people's unemployment, every single WORKER pays into their own unemployment funds. It comes out of every single one of your own paychecks. If you don't work over 3 quarters, you don't qualify for it. Even if you do, depending on how much you make and how much you work will determine how much you do qualify for. Quit being an a– just to be one. People are stressed out and whether or not you believe they should be doesn't give you permission to be condescending.
I read that article...very interesting...
60 days??? How about 6 minutes!!!
@1aip
I know that is unemployment, it's more than a lot of us would qualify for, that's what I was referring to
Sounds like a furlough can last up to a year but this article states you should have got 60 notice before being furloughed but I am sure with covid they found a way to get around that
https://blog.careerminds.com/how-long-can-a-company-furlough-an-employee
@1nak - That is Unemployment. Furloughed employees do not receive any pay. They do keep their benefits.
that's more than a lot of people would get in unemployment, damn and you're complaining for getting $2,316 a month for doing nothing, sign me up!!!
It's their tactic to try and keep from having to pay severance. The longer everyone on furlough has to wait, the probability goes up that you quit for a different job. Then they don't owe any severance.
To Poster. What did the letter actually say regarding remaining on furlough until further notice? Just interested to see what the lawyers cooked up. I mean, can a furlough go on forever, must be legislation around this.
Shoot, I’ll take furlough for $579 a week.
Delaying anyone to return is indeed a viable plan to reduce the workforce without the need for severance.
Anyone that might return has to be approved by Mary M with a business case
Don’t hold your breath over anyone meeting with her to discuss a person’s return
It’s part of the tactic to keep costs down AND also force others out based on pay reductions
If you think of Xerox in anything as this affects you, think as evil as you can and that’s what will be your reality
Get used to this:
They DO NOT CARE about you or anything that happens to you
YOU ARE EXPENDABLE
How many things need to happen so everyone gets that?
Get out and get another job
You will be far better off
How about you go get a job so I don't have to pay for your unemployment checks.
Dude. You're not coming back. Find another job.
Xerox is not bringing back furloughed workers. I haven’t heard of one single persons brought back yet. So while you are waiting for that miracle you are missing opportunities to find a better job elsewhere and others are grabbing those jobs instead of you. People need to WAKE UP to Xerox’s game. This is a way they can keep you at bay and not pay you a severance.
That’s not much less than I make working full time for this sh– show