Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

The reason we Millennials jump ship is because...

1) We have seen people being walked off after working for a company for 10, 15 even 20 years. When someone sees such a thing at the beginning of their career, it is difficult for us to trust companies and not look out for ourselves.

2) There are a lot more opportunities now than they were 20 years ago because how connected the world has become. It is easy to get information about new opportunities.

3) Management. One of the biggest reasons is that we were raised by you people in an ideal world. But well, it is not. We do have a problem of wanting things our way but it is just not our problem, the way the management functions is absolutely unbelievable. When you have your 45 year old asking us on how to sum up numbers on a spreadsheet - yes, that makes us question the capabilities of them. When the management won't listen to us and our problems and fails to provide us with the work life that we want - why not the f— jump ship? Just because you are jealous?

4) What f—ing demeanor is that guy talking about? We have seen many managers b—s—ting around. In fact, many just do that. Take advantage of us. You f—ers are also not saints, so don't expect us to be. You can yourself see the state Intel is in. The CEO taking up huge raises while walking off people working for 20 years in a single day. Is that the demeanor and work ethic and moral behavior you are talking about?

5) The skills argument. May be a only rational argument that there is. We do think highly of ourselves but that is only because the world has set such a low standard for itself lately. Also, if you talk to us, you will know that we are ready to be guided and told that right now it is not possible for us to get promoted. You need to learn more. And than comes the main part - sit with us and make a plan. Tell what is needed. If the guy does what you ask for, promote him. If you wont deliver on the promise - f— off. We are going off to do something else as the amount of work put in was worth it and we were not valued.

6) Yes, we are entrepreneurial. Thank god for that. We have absolutely learnt that we can not depend on one company for life given the current pace of changes in the world. Also, entrepreneurship creates jobs which is increasingly important. So, yes, we are entrepreneurial and you can keep s—ing up to the higher ups because you don't have a back up planned.

7) The financial crisis. Everything f—ed up. The exposes which have happened has opened up our eyes that we can't trust anyone. The big banks made a mockery of our parents and there was nothing that they could do. The wage growth has been stagnant. Housing conditions are deplorable. You people have f—ed us up in the arse. Stop with your entitlement and get working.

Instead of complaining about us, work with us rather than giving orders and bossing us around. We bring with ourselves a lot of tech savvy skills which are quite a time saver. Use us to bring them to the front. We are not lazy, entitled or anything. All of it is just in your mind. Stop with your entitled attitude. id–ts.

Also, please don't worry about our future, we will adjust and live our life with also taking care of the environment.

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Post ID: @OP+16TzWmbi

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Sadly 95% of new college grads I come across do not want to work hard yet complain they don’t have a senior level salary. If your parents did not teach you to work hard to get somewhere blame them.

As you get experience you will learn how to ask the right questions, observe the environment to find a fit for your wants and skills.

In the mean time put in a full days work, figure stuff out on your own and you will enrich yourself more than you can imagine. It will serve you well.

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Post ID: @6bov+16TzWmbi

What percentage of VPs at Cisco would be classified as a psychopath? 95%?

Psychopath:

  • lack of remorse or empathy
  • pretends to feel emotions
  • tend to be successful
  • dishonest
  • manipulative behavior; narcism, superficial charm
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Post ID: @3zxd+16TzWmbi

I agree with this guy 100%. This world is not a fit place for decent, hardworking, loyal people. It's perfect for a–holes. And a–holes need deserve anything good.

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Post ID: @3inf+16TzWmbi

As almost a Boomer, I agree. I had a discussion with a Millennial new hire after 2 months of being in our group. It was open discussion and he had no issues with my questions. His response was that he is already looking for his next job when he starts one. The reason? He was in middle school during the 2009 downturn. They were a normal stable family. Mom and dad were both laid off. No jobs anywhere, they lost their home, retirement, and lived in a car for a few months after staying with family as long as they could. Ingrained in his head is that companies ruined his family life for 4 years and he will never allow a company to do it to him. Use the company to grow skills, then take them to the next employer to do the same.

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Post ID: @3vsb+16TzWmbi

Outsource more jobs to India, Ukraine, and South America. VPs receive a huge bonus, stock holders are happy...

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Post ID: @3lxs+16TzWmbi

Millennials are inherently lazy and entitled
Companies will be begging old t–ds to come back

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Post ID: @3nle+16TzWmbi

@ngd+16TzWmbi

one of the best posts i have read on this site.

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Post ID: @3rho+16TzWmbi
After the ER I won’t be able to get a part time contractor job utilizing my FORTRAN and Pascal programming expertise?

You might be surprised, there are still systems around that need skills that nobody has any more. I could probably do some VMS system management if I wanted to.

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Post ID: @2vfo+16TzWmbi

Bob says to the millennial, " what would you say you do around here" (besides reading reddit and watching snapchat all day) , not sure eating cheetos is a skill so enjoy your grade 6-8 pay forever.

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Post ID: @2cms+16TzWmbi

What!?!?!

After the ER I won’t be able to get a part time contractor job utilizing my FORTRAN and Pascal programming expertise?

I’m also hell on wheels typing on an IBM card punch machine..........,

Guess I’ll just have to take my social security (that those generous millennials are paying for) and do some travel tours to Europe, Australia and New Zealand - after the Covid-19 virus settles down, of course.

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Post ID: @2hpp+16TzWmbi

I agree with the original poster on most parts, but had to laugh at the spreadsheet comment. I'm 55 and grew up with Office/Excel and have even coded custom interactive spreadsheets in Excel. Most of us "Boomers" who work in tech experienced the invention of the internet first hand, and helped build it. We then designed/built smartphones and apps, and know how to use them. And then came the "cloud", and we helped build that also. We've seen and experienced the greatest technological shift in the human race. And I worked hard at being a good mentor to whoever would listen and learn.

But I'm retired now. I could keep working but decided I had enough of the BS. The constant LRs, id–t mgrs/Dir/VPs/CEOs, and age discrimination have s—ed the fun out of the tech industry. I did work at other companies after Cisco, but most of them had similar problems. The tech industry has a cultural disease, and it's not good.

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Post ID: @2btu+16TzWmbi

It’s COBOL. I actually learnt Ada years ago for interest, although I wasn’t programming embedded systems. It was going to take over the world according to all the youngens back then. Then it was going to be browsers and apps written in Java running in Linux desktops.
IF ever you could get Ada to compile your code, it would do what you wanted, but I spent a lot of time getting it to compile (it’s a very, very strongly typed language).

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Post ID: @2trn+16TzWmbi

I thought C++ was a dead language. Yet when I look at job posting today they want C++. HELL Let's bring back Ada. Ada was way better than C++ for embedded systems. Kind of lie Cobal.

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Post ID: @2czq+16TzWmbi

Milleneal is correct except the assumption boomers planned anything. C-ap happens

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Post ID: @2ind+16TzWmbi

I once asked my executive level father if I could give him some computer training.

His response- he hired people to do spreadsheets for him and expected employees to be able to use the data they generated to justify projects. Excel was just another way to make calculations - he knew how the calculations should be done and did not need to do them himself.

Something the millennial whiner ought consider - the fast and extensive development of technology throughout the lifetime of a boomer far exceeds anything they have experienced during their shorter lives.

From pencil / paper to slide rules to main frame computers to calculators to apps you can use on a phone - majors changes on how to do calculations.

Maybe a little more empathy and patience. After all, boomers have to work with you and your attention deficit disorder personalities and your inability to focus on a single thing for more than 5 seconds

People that live in glass houses should not cast stones........

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Post ID: @1lfg+16TzWmbi

Seems like corporations are quietly transitioning to "temp workers". Severance packages, PTO, and benefits will inevitably be a thing of the past.

Merely 30 years ago most corporate employees received a pension.

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Post ID: @1poi+16TzWmbi

I am a boomer also but pretty much agree in principle.

Not sure if this 55 year old would want to be 25 in the year 2020.

World too complicated and too much of a pain.

Hope you young folks get the same financial payouts us old LR F@rts got.

But I wouldn't bet on it.

Sorry. Seriously.

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Post ID: @1yzg+16TzWmbi

Your prospective is interesting. I see you. But keep your heart healthy and empathetic.

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Post ID: @1mwo+16TzWmbi

Fellow millennial here-

Boo hoo. Corporate is cold and unforgiving.

I had to laugh at the spreadsheet comment. I interned at place where I was one of the more technologically advanced people. My bosses boss was pretty much clueless when it came to tech. That being said, he had decades of experience in his field and knew a ton. Yea, when it came to excel, I did circles around him. Anything relevant and he was your guy and teach you alot if you weren't an a–. Wisdom comes in many forms, don't forget that

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Post ID: @1crd+16TzWmbi

Gen X feels the same way. Except we actually worked our backsides off only to get the shaft.

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Post ID: @vtg+16TzWmbi

Such colorful language. Lovely!

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Post ID: @qfh+16TzWmbi

Such colorful language.

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Post ID: @smu+16TzWmbi

Re: "This 60-y-o can drive word and excel better than any millennial I’ve met. "

Yes, but can you Tweet your Tiktok, while eating avocado toast, when you're NOT in your safe place?

Mic. Drop.

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Post ID: @jyi+16TzWmbi

This 60-y-o can drive word and excel better than any millennial I’ve met.

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Post ID: @iim+16TzWmbi

My favorite was the part about the 45 year old asking a millennial how to sum up a spread sheet. Too funny. Should have been "how to tweet".

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Post ID: @pjt+16TzWmbi

Welcome to the jungle!

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Post ID: @jnw+16TzWmbi

"It's okay dear, the world needs ditch diggers too." – My Dad, when I whined and complained and told him basically the same thing the Millennial wrote here 20 years ago.

You'll get over it. And 20 years from now, some kid will write the exact same thing you just did, and they're going to blame it all on you.

Ah, the circle of life.

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Post ID: @twk+16TzWmbi

8) Having 'Cisco' on your resume is no longer a benefit. It is seen as a 'negative' if your employment was more than 2 years.

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Post ID: @frj+16TzWmbi

53 here; LR'd...and pretty much agree with you in overall tone.

Things don't change. Each of us is responsible for our path. Cisco was d@mn good to me, did very well and pseudo-retired. Not sure if your generation is going to have the big payoff. I busted my @ss and earned it I feel - but early in career (25 to 31), was able to make some big career transitions and quadruple my salary...that was the big days of technology, high grown, high demand. I don't your generation is going to see that in technology overall. It is now a cash cow.

Do you best but always keep a path open. Yes companies have changed and don't seem to want to reward as they used to (still can't believe that 6 year / run quadruple in pay in the late 90s still). Also had the fortune to play two big stock market drops.

I think after 2008 it is broke across the board. Not sure what to tell you except channel yourself and find peace. Being p!ssed off will just eat you alive, and pushing that fire into doing the best job you can...not sure if that is acknowledged or appreciated anymore candidly.

Peace be with you.

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