I always thought any job connected to cell phone tower testing and maintenance was considered a landline union job. There is a current Verizon commercial for 5G featuring “ network engineers”. Is this title a union job? How does Verizon differentiate what titles are union ?
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SO...Don't join the union. Nobodies asking you to are they?
If you're happy funding your own pension , If you're happy working extra hours in exchange for comp days that they discourage you from taking , If you're Happy watching the stock price in anticipation of when the next Riff comes down, Paying for your own healthcare and watching that expense continue to rise and trying to figure out how much of your 401k thats gonna eat up every year then by all means continue to do so.
All your stats you seem to love call up don't change ONE thing for you, I or anyone else in this forum.
I will say that without question that the majority of miserable employees I've seen in my time are Low level managers who cant figure out why they haven't gone further in their careers and are frustrated by the lack of support they get from the company and their superiors.
And, unlike 20 years ago Most managers are completely clueless about the Jobs they work in because they simple don't know the first thing about what they are doing because they've NEVER actually done any of the work.
So why be angry at Unionized employees for making a different decisions than you did?
I mean I know the answer to that question....Just really curious why you dont
So Thelayoff is just a place for Non-union and low level management to come and complain about how much they dislike the Union represented employees?
Wouldn't your time be better spent on Indeed.com ?
Happy people don't sit in forums trying to bring people down.
Kind of pathetic and sh–ty isn't it?
Field engineer here, and not jut by title, I earned my BE degree. I have been working out in the field since 1997 to this very day and I have worked for 3 companies in my career and none of them were union shops. I have never had a single bad experience in the workplace at the companies I worked for that were not union and I have not had a single bad experience here at Verizon on the wireless side either. You will never convince me that I need to be part of a union and the more I read posting from union members here the more I want no part of them. The fact is union labor makes of very little of the workforce these days, I think it's something like 11 or 12% or something like that. America and the rest of the world has moved on from the need of the Unions. It's not the same workforce, it's not the same labor force and there is just no need for it. The proof is in the numbers, Union labor is at historic low levels and the numbers keep falling. Advice to the pro union paid to post shills on the board, you all are not convincing anyone to be part of your Union. You are having to force people into joining and that should tell you something about the Union. Wireless Verizon has resisted because we look across the isle and we don't like what we see. We see a group of people that don't seem to be able to think for themselves and do a whole lot of crying about their jobs. If the union was so great then why are people not jumping on them like gangbusters? I look at my job and say, why, why on earth would I ever be part of a union? There is nothing a union can do to improve where I work and what I do for a living in the field. In fact I would get a down grade if I was part of the union at Verizon.
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If youve never seen Managment act poorly You are NOT in the field . If you are in the field then your either Lying or walk around with your head up your a–.
Most non-union and or management employees have some nonsense to say about unionized employees. Its kinda hysterical really and pretty sad.
It must be aggravating to make less money than your underlings if you're a field manager.
Too bad your gave your life to a company that thinks so little of you that they treat you like they have for all this time.
A–holes on both side of the fence but 1st level managers are the whiniest bunch of people I've ever met and its pathetic.
My spouse is also a union employee who also has a great buyout and fully stocked 401k.
We will be retired within 6 months to a year in our early to mid 50s and relocating out of state to a nice warm climate where we can sleep late every day and enjoy our investments while we are young enough to do it.
Play a lot of golf, see the world and relax.
I get how that's irritating to people who've got to continue to work until their either Riffed or in their 70s but we've all made our choices and now is too late to decide you chose wrong and do anything about it.
@5lkj: The lady doth protest too much, methinks...
Any tool would know that. After all, you did @5kcy. I'm merely equipping those with an opposite point of view to your own.
You seem mad that your secret's out. Buck up young fella.
@ : @5wzp Considering you just told the board what to do for fake up and down voting you are guilty as charged I suspect. Looks like the rabid pro union thugs are at it again, accusing people of things without showing a shred of evidence. Typical union tactics!
Upvote/Downvote anti-union boy is working furiously, erasing his browsing history to fake the actual sentiment. The rest of us work for a living and could not be bothered with such inane pursuits.
@4juu+16Ut2OuJ, I have a H.O.U.S.E., a couple of V.E.H.I.C.L.E.S., a S.P.O.U.S.E.
We take V.A.C.A.T.I.O.N.S.
I like what I do for a living and always have. I have seen management act poorly. I do just fine with a union, thank you very much!
"Unions are absolutely needed as a check and balance on management. "
No they are not, this is total BS! Union workers made up an average of 13% of the American workforce and even less around the world. And that number gets smaller and smaller. I have been in the professional workforce since 1985 and I have never worked for a union and never will. I have a BSEE and a FCC and I have never been management and never will, I like what I do for a living and always have. I have never seen management act poorly either. Verizon Wireless does just fine without a union, thank you very much!
Unions are absolutely needed as a check and balance on management.
@1ouq+16Ut2OuJ: Not even going to bother really! You clearly don't have a command of historical facts and have to post a NBC news source which is dubious. If you honestly wanted to know you would do the research in historical books and the "record", Library of Congress". But no, you are too lazy so you don't bother. I am not going to educate you, that is up to you to do and if you were honest with yourself, intellectually honest you would retract you posting. I am a union member and even I have to point out everything that you just posted below is factually not correct. At least I am honest enough to admit it and no be a shill. NBC, like you did not do your homework. Henry ford got his 40 hour work week from Westinghouse. If you studied history you would find that many of the things unions claim they came up with came from George Westinghouse. I have wasted enough brain cells talking to a shill I am sure. At least get your facts correct!
The Ford Motor Company advanced the idea in 1914, when it scaled back from a 48-hour to a 40-hour workweek after founder Henry Ford believed that too many hours were bad for workers’ productivity.
The formation of unions helped to strengthen the idea of working five days a week as well. In 1937, auto plant workers staged a sit-down strike in Flint, Michigan, to protest bleak conditions at General Motors that included no bathroom breaks, no benefits or sick pay and no safety standards.
The negotiations between GM and the United Auto Workers ultimately improved working conditions. The federal government would show its support when Congress passed the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, a key part of President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal.” — NBC News
@1ouq+16Ut2OuJ: “ The Ford Motor Company advanced the idea in 1914, when it scaled back from a 48-hour to a 40-hour workweek after founder Henry Ford believed that too many hours were bad for workers’ productivity.
The formation of unions helped to strengthen the idea of working five days a week as well. In 1937, auto plant workers staged a sit-down strike in Flint, Michigan, to protest bleak conditions at General Motors that included no bathroom breaks, no benefits or sick pay and no safety standards.
The negotiations between GM and the United Auto Workers ultimately improved working conditions. The federal government would show its support when Congress passed the Fair Labor Standards Act in 1938, a key part of President Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal.” — NBC News
The good ones being the ones where you sleep in your truck for 3 hours and then go to the bar for 5 hours.
To OP the good one’s
I don't think Verizon has any actual "engineers", the people in the commercials are actors. We have some people with the title engineer, but,....I don't know......
That is what America is about! Kudos to you @2bvk! Hard work to raise yourself to new heights!
Not submitting to a collective that punishes industriousness.
@2mrt+16Ut2OuJ "I love when poor people like you schmucks defend business moguls . And go against middle class blue collar workers "
I grew up poor you schmuck! I worked my butt off to get into the so-called middle class and was a blue collar working roofing and framing houses in Phoenix in the 110 degree heat for 5 years! I worked hard to save enough for college buster! After college I worked for Texas Instruments then here at Verizon, 16 years now. So please, don't tell me I am against the middle class and blue collar workers buster! I am against Unions because they are a blight on the American workforce and need to go. Let me see you pound nails on a roof for 8 hours when it's 115 F outside. Jeurk!
Da, Comrade... You are correct, of course.
Spoken like Stalin himself. You are true hero of the party.
I love when poor people like you schmucks defend business moguls . And go against middle class blue collar workers 💙 👏
Let's not forget Henry Ford... He realized that if he kept the working week down to 40 hours, he had happier, more productive employees that bought cars, traveled and spent money where they went... This increased affluence over wider areas.
It was truly the business moguls that promoted the 40 hour week.
George Westinghouse may have come up with the 2 day weekend, but the titans of industry didn't give a c-ap . It took unions to make it common place. You can also thank unions for 40 hour work weeks, OT after that. And if you don't get OT after 40 hours, you can thank George Bush II
@1bes+16Ut2OuJ You are a liar, you have posting that same cr@p on the Verizon Wireless side. You are in fact a sock puppet for the Unions. For starters your drivel is factually and historically bogus. Weekends off came from none other than George Westinghouse. It was he that started the two day weekends not the Unions. Instead of posting your paid to post drivel why don't you take a basic history lesson in American history, George Westinghouse and his work place rules is well documented and Unions had nothing to do with it. The rust of your rotgut is the same, historically not correct.
@rjq+16Ut2OuJ ...not union here but seriously? I am actually management in corporate. I see nothing wrong with the union. If you consider them commy then give up your free weekends and your holidays and finally your health benefits. Note that the company charges you only a portion for your health benefits, they pay the rest. If you consider that commy, then give up your SS# retirement money too. All of these things mention were made possible by unions in this country. While I may not be in the union, I do respect and appreciate their contribution. Your name calling brings absolutely nothing but a lot of ignorance. I do not understand why we cannot have discussions on any subject without the name-calling. I feel like I come to these boards and reading childish behavior. Get help if you need it! We all work for one company and we contribute to the bottom line. We ALL want to mae the company a success so that we have food to put on the table.
Network engineers aren’t union the only union field team in wireless retained the name cell technician
Union members are the same quality of people causing all the damage in Portland, Kenosha, etc. Un American commies all.
Where's Senator McCarthy when you need him??
@khv+16Ut2OuJ "so your union and want to cross the picket lines, your what we call a SCAB. "
You just proooooved the point that others have made here! You are attempting to stop someones right to make a living and to feed their family because you don't believe the same as they do. You people will go as far as to the use of violence to stop those that want to "work" from not working! As for the name calling , YUP... "SCAB" you just proved the other point! Why don't you all respect the right of people to work and feed their families as they see fit and stop interfering with someones right to make a living freely with harassment? Clearly this is beyond you, you can't, you can't help yourself can you?
so your union and want to cross the picket lines, your what we call a SCAB.
@bhd+16Ut2OuJ: So, you toss insults at union members and then say they are “thugs” if they reply using insults in return?
Uhh, OK, the only “point” that proves is that you’re not very pleasant nor bright.
Resign from the union if you choose. You don’t belong.
Those network engineers are not unionized. They are network engineers that work on the wireless technology.
Ops Techs not in wireless division are only union any title above that becomes a number,.....and does not matter what the title says they are just a number