Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

You Will Be OK!

I think y'all could use some encouragement right now so here's my story (and its not a rare one by any means):

I was let go end of July after only 2 years with the company (came straight from college with a BS in ChemE). I was told I was "Needs Improvement" and had to go "seek employment elsewhere". PIP was not an option for me.

It was tough at the time, very dark period. I knew that this could very well be a blessing in disguise but convincing myself of that was tough sometimes. I was also dealing with some family issues that got kicked up because of losing my job so that was even more mental strain. But I kept my head up in between mental break downs - job hunting is basically a full time job after all.

After a few weeks of applying, the interviews started rolling in. Got an offer after about 3 weeks, turned it down, then got another offer from one of my dream companies, accepted. Got even more interview requests even after accepting the job (from some other big name companies), had to decline them all.

My job tips (a JLA of sorts, if you will):

  • If you're still employed with EM right now, don't work more than, like, 50 hours a week at most. All the overtime you'd be giving them is wasted if they just end up laying you off anyway. Don't let them wring value out of you and then dump you after you're spent. And even if you somehow don't get laid off, it's still no good to burn yourself out: your mental and physical health are worth more than a job. There's more to life than work - work is never finished, there'll always be more to do so pace yourself. No one lies on their death bed thinking "Gee, I wish I worked 20 more hours during the week."
  • Time more wisely spent would be time prepping for and conducting a job hunt.
  • Make a good resume (have others proof read and suggest improvements) before you go out applying. Put $$$ on there - if you're an engineer that worked at EM, you should be able to put down numbers in the millions.
  • ExxonMobil is still a good name to have on your resume (believe it or not). I don't think word has
    quite gotten out yet how rubbish they are yet. Generally, EM is considered a highly technical
    company so play that to your advantage.
  • Also brush up your LinkedIn profile - that should be easy to do as you work on your resume.
  • - recommendations on LinkedIn are pretty nice to have. Give out recommendations too! People will
    more than likely reciprocate your recommendation.
  • Apply to as many jobs as possible and keep track of them in an excel spreadsheet
  • keep your login creds in there bc believe me, you'll be making lots of accounts
  • I also kept links to applications, company names, job title, date applied, and status of application in
    there
  • Apply to jobs as long as you fit >=50% of the requirements. This is a numbers game, improve your chances with more applications. Don't be discouraged by seeing 200+ applicants for a job opening. Who cares, apply anyway. You won't have a chance at all if you don't apply. Make those job screeners earn their pay!
  • Don't bother with cover letters unless it's a job you really really want. Again, quantity is the name of the game, apply to as many jobs as you can.
  • No need to be too picky with who you apply to (unless you definitely know you're gunning for a certain field). I found small companies tend to interview a little sooner than larger companies so the small company interviews made good practice.
  • If you do have a field you're targeting very strongly, it may be a good idea to exhaust all applications and interviews in that field first so you're not stuck between an offer you don't really want and waiting on a better offer in a field you like better
  • Network. With people you know and people you don't know. Cold messaging on LinkedIn with people you don't really know actually can work. Alumni's of your old school tend to be pretty receptive. Frame it as a "I'm looking for advice on switching industries/companies. Can you tell me more about xyz" instead of just straight up saying you're looking for a job.
  • Be patient. Sometimes it takes 2-4 weeks before an application gets back to you for an interview request. Don't panic. Keep chugging along and applying while you wait. It's ok to take a day or two off from the job hunt too. Rest your mind, go exercise, meditate (or pray as I did).
  • Don't take rejection too hard, it'll happen in all liklihood. I applied to 255 jobs, rejected by 96 and got interviews for about 10 of them. You do the math on how many didn't get back to me. And you'll also probably get the rejections before you start getting interviews and offers.

General tips:

  • It's ok to cry and have breakdowns. Let yourself decompress emotionally. And then pick yourself up and keep going until something good comes along. Repeat and rinse.
  • Keep an emergency fund. If you have income right now or when you do have income, you need to build up at least 6 months of funds for situations just like this. Thankfully I was on the FIRE train (still am btw) so I was just fine financially - that's one thing I didn't really have to worry about. FIRE (Financially Independent Retire Early) is a whole other discussion but I am definitely a fan.
  • The grass can certainly be greener on the other side. Sure all companies have their problems, big ones will have some politics and bureaucracy but there ARE better companies with better culture out there than EM.
  • I don't know you personally, but I can say that in all likelihood, you are technically competent, capable, and smart. I know I struggled with self doubt after being told I "needed improvement" even though I knew this was most likely a load of bull. Sure I could be better in certain areas, and I will continue working on them, but my base capabilities are there and I do bring value to whoever I work for. And I can say the same probably goes for you too. Keep your head up Kings and Queens. On the bright side, if you are actually laid off and not "performance based" cut from your job like I was or the other first wavers were, you won't have to struggle as much I guess, haha.

Now I actually like going in to work. What a strange feeling! The culture is so much more relaxed but the people are still super smart. People aren't all stressed up, it's a breath of fresh air. Indeed it was a blessing in disguise. Thank the Lord I got out.

I'll try to follow this thread for a little bit for the next few days so if you have questions, feel free to ask. I may have to be a bit selective about what I answer for...privacy reasons... but I'll try. And anyone else with tips/successes, please do share! I'm sure the "first wavers" as I like to call it (folks that got let go in July-ish due to "performance") will have good advice. Lord knows these people need it now.

Good luck everyone!

X And trolls, stay away! X

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Post ID: @OP+17Gt8IRY

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Not OP but I would add one tip- tailor your resume to each job post by matching lingo to job descriptions and check it with ATS resume scanner websites.

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Post ID: @1wyd+17Gt8IRY

@1jxx+17Gt8IRY - Thanks for the advice! I too felt a lot of cognitive dissonance while working for EM. I tried to buy into what management was saying that "fossil fuels are needed for the energy transition" blah blah blah but in the back of my mind I was always really unsettled.
I remember not wanting to watch nature documentaries because they always talk about how our planet is dying and we need to do something about it...but hey, now that I'm out, I can watch them without that heavy guilt!
And definitely very true, I think the O&G industry is only going to continue to shrink and conglomerate over the next few decades, COVID probably just kicked up the rate of that trend. But hey, again, O&G will still probably be there as we transition out and a few select will need to stay to keep things running but it's a risk you're gambling with if you decide you want to stay and see if you make it.

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Post ID: @1hsa+17Gt8IRY

Well done, OP! Thanks for spreading gratitude and goodwill.
NRE here, raised on tiger milk, been on FIRE before it was a thing, so ready to sail into the sunset any time. My advice: oil industry barely lasted for me but won't last for you. Crude may bounce back a bit but there will be no growth - NOCs will undercut us savagely, it is each man for himself out there. Your professional future will be cut, cut, cut, and then cut some more, not a fun place to be and grow unless you are into masochism. Don't get tempted by the 10% higher salary: it won't last. Escape while you still can.

Personal angle: the older I get the heavier the assault of our company on the environment weighs on my conscience: climate change, microplastixs ... when I was younger, turn of the century, I could convince/fool myself that we make energy cheaper; today renewables are even cheaper without subsidies (read up!). This has sapped my motivation to contribute (lucky for me no one in mgmnt cares about actual work, only flattery) and made me unhappy. I am looking forward to leaving as soon as I am able to resolve my crisis of conscience. I would advise anyone to work in an industry less fraught with conflict: selling your soul to the devil is EXACTLY what it sounds like.

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Post ID: @1jxx+17Gt8IRY

@zbf+17Gt8IRY - should I stay or should I go?
Depends on if you really like your job or not I guess. I thought my job at EM wasn't too bad and sometimes I liked it but ever since I got out and started working somewhere else, I feel like it's a lot better out here, mostly less stressful, and a better work culture. So maybe I was just in denial while I was at EM, haha.

I'm not too optimistic on the future of oil and gas in general but with you being in chemicals, you might be able to last a little longer. But again, you're only 24 so you have at least a few decades before you retire probably, idk how O&G will be by then...some more senior folks can probably give you a better view on this. From what I've heard from a few of my more senior coworkers - this down cycle is unlike any other and there's serious doubt if it will ever recover to where it was before. And of course, globally, there's a push to transition away from fossil fuels which has only been getting stronger and the technology with which to do so is making good progress to deliver in the next few decades imo (which I think is a good thing for the health of our planet).

I would think if you stay in O&G for more than 4-5 years you generally start pinning yourself down as an O&G person - you'll be seen as less transferable to other industries.

And also if you're not sure about leaving O&G, you can always apply and interview with only opportunities that really really interest you. That way you can learn a bit more about what's out there via interviews and if you get an offer that's stellar, you can jump ship. In other words, you can cross that bridge when you get there.

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Post ID: @fev+17Gt8IRY

Double paid here too ☺️
I kept it very low profile. Secretly enjoying the double pay gift to avoid any eye sores. Key is to enjoy simple life and control your own career. Having the last laugh.

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Post ID: @tdi+17Gt8IRY

Awesome post, OP! Appreciate it!

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Post ID: @rnp+17Gt8IRY

That's great. I'm so glad to see you are doing well. I work at Shell as a chemical engineer...typically if you are under 5 years and perform you don't get laid off. We had our reorg this month and none of those under 5 years experience got affected.

I do like the company and what I do, but I wonder if i should jump ship now. Take the pay cut now when I'm 24. I work in downstream oil and chemicals as a chemical engineer. Any thoughts welcome. Great thread!

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Post ID: @zbf+17Gt8IRY

Glad so many of the young people were successful. The prospects are not as rosy for those of us up in age,though. Good luck to everyone.

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Post ID: @qbi+17Gt8IRY

@tdb+17Gt8IRY

I'm another one who has received "double pay" since August. I was PIPed and started a new job 3 weeks after my last day at XOM. Just got my last payroll check from XOM today and will get another one for unused vacation that I had accrued previously. I don't think anyone here is lying about getting two paychecks after leaving. XOM does not require you to report that you received a new job and end your payout.

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Post ID: @uav+17Gt8IRY

OP, I was in the same boat. Only with the company for a year after graduating with BS in ChemE in May 2019. I was PILd in late July. Switched industries to industrial surfactants and specialty chemicals. Took a 10% pay cut, but live in a better city (sorry Baton Rouge), but the culture is a lot more welcoming and my supervisor has shown great interest in protecting me from over work. I practically did all of the things you mentioned in your story too and was offered after a month, turned down the offer, and waited for a better offer. Now I'm relocated and feeling settled. Was some rough times - didn't enjoy sleeping on friends' couches for a month across the country, but turned out well.

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Post ID: @xtt+17Gt8IRY

I wonder how many people here now complaining were the ones here laughing back in July.

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Post ID: @bkf+17Gt8IRY

@nsj+17Gt8IRY
I'm in consumer goods now, still engineering. I did take a pay cut but by all means I'm still making well above $80k (I shan't say the exact number) and well above the average pay for my experience level so can't complain. Plus still getting that sweet sweet severance $$$. And of course, the better culture and even better benefits in some respects makes up for the pay cut I took. And there will be promotions which will get me back to where I was pretty soon I believe.

TBH, I was rather surprised by the salary offered. I was expecting to go down to at least $80k. Happy times.

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Post ID: @ssq+17Gt8IRY

@ijo+17Gt8IRY
Great question! I was about to post regarding what to say about why I left EM during interviews. Basically, don't mention you got laid off/let go UNLESS they specifically ask if you were laid off or let go. The question you will usually get is something like "Why do you want to leave EM?"
Don't say "o bc I got laid off", lol. I always said things like
"because 1) the oil and gas industry has a dim future, I want to be somewhere with a bright future, 2) I want to go somewhere that agrees with my morals and ethics. EM is not the most transparent company and they do some questionable things in my opinion, 3) I want to work somewhere that is more environmentally conscious which EM is not really fitting the bill there, and 4) This is why I think your company would be a good fit bc xyz" Obviously, be respectful, don't diss EM (as in, start complaining) in front of the interviewer.
No need to mention your layoff if that is what happens to you. And if they do specifically ask if you were laid off, say "yes, due to the oil down turn and then covid on top of that, the company took a big hit and needed to reduce expenditure. As part of that, I was let go." Short and sweet.

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Post ID: @kxr+17Gt8IRY

This is encouraging and gives me the kind of midset i should have and start to plan early amidst the uncertainty... quite true on the culture part though...

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Post ID: @hsa+17Gt8IRY

Thank you OP for this!

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Post ID: @rpg+17Gt8IRY

You didn’t get double pay ....why lie

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Post ID: @tdb+17Gt8IRY

To” I’ve opt for PIL as well. ” I took PIP, and had a job offer 3 weeks later, getting double pay is sweet. If any employer asking why you leave Exxon, my recruiter told me this (and write this sentence down if need to) “ because I have heard this amazing opportunity with your good company...” and then start talking about what you think about this job opportunity and their company. After a minute of pivoting the original subject, no one asked me why i leaf Exxon anymore.

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Post ID: @gkh+17Gt8IRY

OP
Good job. What industry are you in now? Do you do engineering? Took a pay cut? Good encouraging story.

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Post ID: @nsj+17Gt8IRY

Hi, I’ve opt for PIL as well. May I know how do you explain the reason you leave EM during your interview session?

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Post ID: @ijo+17Gt8IRY

OP here. Also maybe someone will find this video encouraging/take your mind off your troubles for a bit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pBjopDymts

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Post ID: @obf+17Gt8IRY

Good write up

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Post ID: @jom+17Gt8IRY

Thanks for such an encouraging note amidst all the darkness, God bless you!!

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Post ID: @guo+17Gt8IRY

Congrats! I’m happy things worked out and even happier that you’re into FIRE.

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