Across town, GM had earnings of $4 Billion on revenue of $35.5 Billion.
Ford, on the other hand, earned $2.7 Billion on revenue of 37.5 Billion.
The GM spinoff Lyft is worth $11 Billion, Ford hasn't been able to create value with technology anywhere close to that. (But have written off Chariot, GoRide, Breeze/Canvas.)
Ford has more salaried employees than GM, yet the results are not as good.
Mary Barra is doing something right, Ford, not so much.
And I'm pretty sure the future revenue of Ford won't be from selling software and data.
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Lyft is not a GM spinoff. GM has invested $500M into their business and has an AV partnership, but Ford does as well. Lyft has also never made a profit, so hard to take that valuation seriously.
I can confirm that unplanned disasters are a disaster. We had 3 unplanned DR's over @18 months a couple of years ago and we were dead in the water for days each time.
@2kmx+17QtWtx9 It would be nice if the leadership focused on our core business, alas that is not always the case. IT sometimes forgets that they are a service organization whose sole purpose is to support and enhance the business.
I do find the conversation on data centers relevant to the core business as the plants, credit, marketing and services all shut down if the data center is lost. One thing I do know is that to date Ford has not had a successful unplanned disaster recovery cut over. There are regular practice DR cut overs all are only successful because of planning and manual efforts, which of course would not be present in a real disaster situation. Source for this info: buddy who is on operation staff at Data Center.
It would be interesting if Farley walked over to the data center without prior notice and disabled the generators and cut the power. He would quickly find out what the true state of things is.
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Ridiculous comment. I'm sure someone at GM HR passed that information on to you! :)
If you have the needed and desired skill sets required by any company, GM included, then they would be absolutely foolish not to consider you for possible employment because you work(ed) at Ford.
Are you an IT person?
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It is unfortunate that you don't know anything about PD. You may remember however that our core business is designing and building motored vehicles (BEV included). Maybe someday it will be monetization of information but as of now it is still motored vehicles.
The grass is always greener. Check the GM board and they're complaining about the same kind of stuff you see over here. F has shaky investments in mobility to cast doom on the bottom line, GM has shaky investments in Nikola to point and laugh at. Both are currently trying to cycle out their C-suites and dealing with the accompanying chaos. You could try going over for a change of scenery, but it'd be starting over from nothing with all your problems traded for other problems.
If you work at Ford, don't bother applying to GM. I was told that if your resume says Ford anywhere, GM tosses it straight into the "do not hire" bin.
My impression from some of the posts is that Ford IT has a lot of PS positions and the jobs and services can be outsourced relatively easy. That definitely would cause me to have serious employment concerns if I worked in that area of the company.
Jeez whatever happened to One Ford?
I find the site interesting as I learn other teams perspectives.
I find most of the comments to be more truthful than what I hear presented in leadership meetings.
I learned about issues in GAO, PD, FC, IT, HR and other organizations on this site.
I was able to independently verify that the issues exist.
Yes, at times people vent on this site, but that is when I pay close attention as truths that otherwise would not be aired are aired. It tells me that Ford leadership does not want to hear truths. If they did people wouldn’t feel the need to vent elsewhere.
This site appears to cater to IT folks. I hardly ever see any input from other areas of Ford??
Perhaps the IT folks have too much time on their hands?? Watch out - your job will be outsourced soon to the lowest bidder located anywhere in the world! The pandemic has accelerated this reality by about 5 years.
@1ryf IT people comment on what they know so how is that narcissism? We dont know anything about PD, so why would we say anything about it? The comment about the data center is that persons' opinion, so why dont you say something about what you know instead of taking a not-so-subtle shot at IT people? In other words..... STFU.
It seems to me that a lot of the comments, regardless of the topic, has some IT person posting off topic related negative comments about Ford IT. I wish I would hear more from the core business people in PD and Ford Finance. Some of the IT posts tend to be very narcissistic.
Ready for the IT negativity! :)
GM also benefitted from a bankruptyc and get rid of billions in cost - Ford did not. If you think about given where GM and Ford were in 2007 and 2008, Ford is not doing that bad considering thye did not go through bankruptcy. Can Ford do better? Yes - but GM should be doing better, as they swollowed a much bigger & bitter pill that Ford has up to this time.
Really ? According to a few news utlets, Ford is hiring for electric vehicle in several areas: https://www.autoblog.com/2020/11/10/ford-electric-vehicle-future-mach-e-f-150-transit/
Seems like it will be defitintley blue collar, but maybe some white colar, as well. I think what is really happening is Ford is trying to swap older workers for younger workers.....in other words, same old story as the last 20 years.
The dearborn data center has data haul 1 and 2 and is the combination of the old ECC and FMCC data centers. They mirror each other.
The flat rock is only a disaster recovery site which has never been fully tested or implemented.
Contrary to the happy talk presentations.
Loss of the dearborn site would be severe business disruption.
Actually, Ford built 2 new data centers. One in Dearborn and the other in Flat Rock. Shockingly, Ford did a good job with the new data centers. Still a bit close geographically though.
Ford has yet to take a honest assessment of what are critical positions and skills for the future of the company. It has all been smoke and mirrors and empire building. Honesty in reporting upwards and laterally is not a Ford strength.
GM has been much better at assessment and positioning themselves for the future.
GM also seems to have much more common sense. For example they have geographically dispersed data centers and have allowed IT workers to work at any of the data centers which allows for a larger talent pool and better retention of employees who don’t fancy Michigan. The other benefit of having geographically dispersed data centers is resiliency. Ford’s data centers are not geographically dispersed, one natural disaster will wipe out Fords data center. The joke at Fords is the disaster recovery plan is to store your resume offsite. And yes they just invested in a new data center. They combined their two old michigan data centers into one new building. Brilliant!