Thread regarding IBM layoffs

A Letter PART 2: Products. People. Predictions. Who, What, And When Changes Will Happen (Long)

Dear friend, Deep Throat here again. Some time has passed since my last correspondence (https://www.thelayoff.com/t/17rD5xvj) so I thought I would deliver some new insights. This time to focus on; Products remain/go. People, RA’s, Band AA churn, and Predictions. Also, I want to introduce the phrase, “What choice do we have?”

Before we reach the 3P’s though, a brief history lesson. As you know, IBM announced the creation of SpinCo as a vehicle to dump 90,000 people, primarily from GTS. Plus as I explained last time, all the prerequisite back office people to make it work; Finance, Marketing, Legal, etc.

I’m not sure if you were on the Q3 announcement call, but I found it interesting that Krishna called NewCo SpinCo. You could tell it was a slip of the tongue. This is interesting as Spin is a Bain term, and like the workforce reinvention (upskilling/reskilling) from BCG, Bain is deep into this. Their own materials:

“In today’s disruptive environment, divestitures are instrumental to accelerate the transition to a future portfolio; they release the time, talent, energy and capital tied up in nonstrategic businesses. In practice, many companies delay and under prepare for divestitures, resulting in value leakage”

I have no idea what they mean by “value leakage,” but perhaps they mean the company needs a Bain Depends Undergarment or something. Regardless, I can assure you Bain and BCG have been riding rampant inside IBM for some time now. Bain believes that spinning off a division or so will release value. The real world says otherwise.

Not long ago, HP was simply HP. Then Meg Whitman caught the BCG/Bain bug. In 2014, the old HP had a market cap of ~74b. In November of 2015 HP spun off HPQ which is all the personal printer stuff, PC’s etc, and HP became HPE. Then, follow me here, HPE spun off its services arm (sound familiar), and merged it with CSC to become DXC. (Don’t ask).

Today? HPE’s market cap is ~$12b. HPQ’s market cap is ~$25b, and DXC is ~$5b. Grand total ~$42b. In other words, all that effort, employee pain, and spin-offs resulted in not only far less revenue, but it destroyed corporate wealth at the same time. Quite an achievement.

As I mentioned last time, IBM simply doesn’t have the financial firepower to to buy its way into the market. IBM currently spends ~6b a year on dividends, and ~6b a year on RD&E. However we are loaded with debt. IBM can’t pay off debt, invest in RD&E and pay shareholders on this scale. This is the reason for SpinCo. On the call both Krishna and Kavanaugh went out of their way to say they will INCREASE the dividend over time. This is wishful thinking. To see how dire the situation is, IBM made it known that six directors invested in IBM stock. When you look at the accounts and wealth of these people, it is peanuts. And reeks of desperation.

Finally I want to put to bed that SpinCo is a way to get IBM ready to be sold. This is categorically false.

Products, People and Predictions.

Products

IBM’s focus is to be Hybrid Cloud and AI. Clearly anything with “Cloud” or “Hybrid Cloud” in its name should be safe. And generally this is so, but with some caveats. Blockchain, Red Hat, mainframe, are not going anywhere. Re mainframe, and those who think IBM will use this for growth, have not been paying attention to mainframe revenue over the years. Yes, its highly important, but NOT a growth engine. Software that is key such as WebSphere will also stay. And even DB2. That leaves hundreds of smaller products that could be shut down, as IBM attempts to focus its limited RD&E budget. This is not an easy task, so I don’t know how long all this will take. As for AI, I will believe this will drive revenue growth when we invest enough to make the damn thing work.

People

There are many moving parts here, so I thought I would start at the top, and work my way down. SVP’s (Band AA), are clearly in the mix. Whether or not Krishna gets his arms around several AA’s who have failed remains to be seen, but (and maybe this is wishful thinking), I hope he will start with Finance, Strategy and Marketing.

Kavanaugh (CFO), has failed. I don’t see anyway to sugar coat it. If the plan was to add more debt, less revenue, and less profit, then he succeeded. Something tells me that wasn’t part of his Checkpoint. Krishna needs to clean house in Finance, AA and some A’s. The same is true for Strategy. Or it was, until very recently, then I made the unfortunate observation that it’s going to get worse. Ken Keverian, who reported to Whitehurst has left the company. Again, if Strategy’s objective was to take on debt, lose profit, and k–l moral, I’d like to see that slide. Keverian was from BCG. The bad news is Keverian has been replaced by Roger Premo (Band A) who is also BCG alumni. As I said, Bain/BCG are now deep within the IBM mindset. And as BCG is the go-to team for “reskilling/upskilling” this tells me this strategy is NOT going anywhere.

I wait with interest if someone can explain to me IBM’s marketing messages. Michelle Peluso is a favorite of Rometty’s. Once Rometty leaves, will Krishna do what is needed to clean house? I am beginning to have serious doubts.

Lets talk sales, which IBM call's GTM (Go to Market). IBM has long gone against AWS, GOOG and MSFT by insisting that 50% of sales can come from direct sales. In other words, customers will use self-service. This has led to a culling of the sales teams. I don’t see this ending. IBM has a complicated GTM structure, this is not a criticism, all large companies do, but many sales teams overlap. Some sell Cloud, some Hybrid Cloud. However, given CHQ’s total lack of appreciation of sales teams (Rometty), the embedding of Bain/BCG, I expect more layoffs here.

Which leads us quite naturally to other layoffs. Will there be more? Of course. IBM is so indebted, (and cannot dump too much onto SpinCo), that it feels it has no choice but to reduce headcount quite dramatically.

Predictions

SpinCo: As I pointed out last time, SpinCo/NewCo will take a major amount of energy from senior execs. There is no magic wand here. This is NOT a sophisticated process. I remember one time walking into a Band A’s office as he was trying to lay out a major reorg of Sales. He quite literally had a whiteboard covered with PostIt Notes with the names of Band B’s and C’s, the names of the dept they covered, as he attempted to move people around to the new format. When I asked him what the hell he was doing, he then proceeded to show how he would move one PostIt Note to another location on the board trying to get the reorg set. Don’t expect SpinCo to be any more sophisticated.

IBM has about 350,000 employees. IBM’s objective is to move to closer to 200,000 WW. 90,000 to SpinCo, leaves ~260,000. Then with the Hybrid Cloud/AI focus and the continued focus on Digital Sales, the fact that GTS is over-manned, some product teams going away, you end up with many more gone over the next 24 months. If IBM does this, with revenue of ~59b, then they are in the realm of ORCL on sales per employee. Nowhere near MSFT of course, but this is a baseline.

Band A and AA changes. When Krishna came on board, I was quite hopeful. He is a quiet, thoughtful man, who cares about his employees. Now with Premo in Strategy, the same faces in AA, unless Krishna cleans house in Finance which has hindered investment, and some other changes, I worry that nothing will happen.

Dividend. It’s simple. It’s untenable.

M&A activity: IBM will focus on companies in bite size form.

Outside odds predictions: IBM will end up like GE and Boeing. Still in businesses, independent etc, but a shrunken company bought low by management hubris. With a weakened stock price, falling revenue, (many Q4 deals are already being pushed out), and falling profit, don’t be surprised if activist shareholder start to sniff around. And, this is a long shot, while IBM won’t sell itself, I wouldn’t be surprised if we merge with someone.

Conclusions

The phrase; “What choice do we have?” More than once I have had A or AA tell me this in some form:

“We need to sell Thinkpad, there’s no future. What choice do we have?”
“We don’t have the right skills. Of course we need to upskill. What choice do we have?”
“Ginni wants a big deal. We need to buy (Any Name). What choice do we have?”
“No one likes RA’s. What choice do we have?”
“We are behind on Cloud. What choice do we have?”

The problem is that these are all reactive strategies. My worry is that we are so indebted that unless we bite the bullet and refocus on delivering customer solutions they actually want, IBM’s malaise is bound to continue. An AWS exec JUST told me it will have $50b THIS YEAR. Think about that. AWS alone will be almost as large as the new IBM next year ($59b). And AWS is NOT standing still.

I wish I had better news.

Your friend

Deep Throat

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Where are you getting all of this insight? I enjoy what you've written here, but would urge you to be careful, as many people will take every nuance of your post(s) as facts. Facts are verifiable.

Folks should take everything with a big, fat grain of salt on this anonymous board. Being laid off is a horribly painful subject, so anyone who's here is ripe to overreact.

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Post ID: @5xcv+17SRe4Jx
  1. Rosamilla, God bless him, thinks differently, and pump for it. One, two, three ... let's go
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Post ID: @3wvh+17SRe4Jx

oh well, yet another wet dream. ibm will not get into consumer market: the senior execs are too lazy to deal with whimsical mass consumers. The last appendage, the pc business, was sold decades ago. TWC has been hit hard by the layoffs. With the extreme focus on hybrid, it won't be a big surprise if twc is jettisoned soon.

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Post ID: @2klf+17SRe4Jx

IBM is not dead - by a long shot!

Eventually they will realize the whole saturated 'enterprise' space is not where the 'low hanging fruit' is, that lies in the 'consumer' space.

Once that light goes off in someone's head, it would be gravy. The Weather company thru it's direct to consumer approach is the first step - learn the mistakes, fix it quickly and then declare war on Amazon, Google, Microsoft on their 'direct to consumer' base models.

Until this happens, most of this post might remain relevant.

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Post ID: @2hbj+17SRe4Jx

@2fpn+17SRe4Jx - Well... at some point every business hit market saturation and cannot grow further... so if the onus is on growth... then IBM must change.

That said... the whole paradigm that only growth is rewarded has always struck me as strange...

We cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. Once we are selling everything we can to everyone we can... where to grow to next? Mars? Does Mars have dollars? (Humor intended, LOL!)

But it is a serious question.

So... apparently IBM has reached saturation is attempting to change, true?

Ramifications for us peons may be bad, but I imagine all of this was to be expected at some point, either sooner or later?

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Post ID: @2zgo+17SRe4Jx

@2krj+17SRe4Jx what everyone is (correctly) saying is ibm is dead except mainframes.

ALL the B2B software is going to be platform (public cloud) dependent because all companies can supply similar basic softwares on their cloud and customers will prefer to buy from those whose platform (public cloud) they're using.

Now sure, all those banks will update mainframes every cycle but there's no growth per say as they're already IBM's customers.

All the other software that ibm sells is basically going to lose customers because of customers not being on IBM's public cloud.

Ibm should have separated it's parts without buying rh and sold its divisions but how do lazy executives and ceo keep making their money and get their bonuses

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Post ID: @2fpn+17SRe4Jx

"...IBM is dead!..."

Somehow I don't think so. Too many mainframes entrenched in major businesses out there, etc.

IBM is not going to just shutter itself and disappear.

It my become something different from what it is today... but in the end the work that it does, has to be done by someone.

That said, any one of us could be one of the estimated 20K to be layed off.

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Post ID: @2krj+17SRe4Jx

I believe that Mrs Rometty destroyed the IBM brand, following, or better chasing, a market where IBM is not recognized, and leaving the one where IBM was dominant.
IBM is dead! pls note that, once sold the outsourcing contracts, IBM will not be able even to surpass the door keeper in most of its current gold accounts, such as Bank of America or AT&T.
Lack of skills, bad organizational behaviors, awfully redundant organization, conflicts among brands, everything will suddenly come to the surface and the IBM story will suddenly finish. What an heavy price to be paid for an inadequate CEO!!!

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Post ID: @2cxo+17SRe4Jx

IBM, unfortunately, is unlikely to have another Lou Gerstner moment and re-transform itself into a powerhouse like in the 1990s. Back in the 90s, IBM had a strong position in computing across the board in Corporate America and Globally and was a well respected brand among the Citizenry. It also had a loyal, dedicated and skilled workforce.

Today, IBM has lost almost all leadership in the marketplace in terms of thought leadership, mindshare and actual marketshare with the exception of Red Hat (which customers don't really view as IBM anyway). There is nothing to build this business renaissance off of. The IBM foundation is now a bunch of sand. And now IBM has fearsome, powerful competitors at every turn. IBM will do best to consolidate behind its remaining strength in mainframe and be happy to stay in business.

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Post ID: @2wln+17SRe4Jx

IBM is destined to become a mainframe-only company... the hybrid cloud strategy will fall flat on its face before 2025.

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Post ID: @2wcx+17SRe4Jx

"Enlighten me..." Go and Google what happened at IBM in the early 90s. It can happen again.

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Post ID: @1ijk+17SRe4Jx

I don't like the greedy bunch on Wall Street, but collectively they provide a future view of a public company, which should be taken seriously.

If AK's latest effort (hybrid, AI) fails, most of the $77B revenue will disappear quickly. The only business with a "moat" (per Warren Buffett) strong enough is the mainframe. But it's a stable business (the names of the mainframe customers probably will fit on a single page). Yes, it is lucrative, but it also doesn't need a big army of people. If eventually the company has to come down to mainframe-only, how big it's going to be? 50,000? or 20,000? How about the rest of the 300,000+? How do you know which side you will be on? The 20,000 left to maintain the mainframe business, or 300,000+ which will be jettisoned?

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Post ID: @1nvs+17SRe4Jx

Value leakage = when the cost to maintain a business exceeds the opportunity cost of that business.
GTS is still profitable, but the burden of too many executives makes it have value leakage to IBM. A simple solution would have been to send GTS to India wholesale in the mid 2000s. They run the show in GTS anyway.

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Post ID: @1ghw+17SRe4Jx

Enlighten me...

Everyone talks like IBM will simply sail off the end of the earth... to evaporate... but it's a business with $77B in revenue in 2019... Even the spin off, "NewCo" has $19B in revenue and $60B in backlog...

So what makes everyone talk like somehow it will just be gone... sometime soon?

Seems to me, there's just too much money there for anything like that to happen.

As individuals we will definitely have to worry about being layed off, etc.

But IBM and NewCo? Somehow I don't think they are going anywhere...

To quote George Carlin, "... The planet will be fine... but the people will be...[expletive deleted]..."

IBM may no longer be the darling of Wall Street and the subject of investing books (If you have 100 shares of IBM at $200 per share... blah blah)... but sinking, disappearing, etc.?

Somehow I can't see it... yet that's what everyone seems to be saying?

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Post ID: @1tqn+17SRe4Jx

From a business stand point this article confirms what was said above. Restructuring has to go faster if IBM is to survive

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4388281-ibm-every-cloud-silver-lining

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Post ID: @1kmd+17SRe4Jx

What’s even more scary is the fact there is no mention of their $34B purchase of Redhat. So now it looks like they tried to buy their way into the CSP market just to be in the bottom 10. Pathetic really. And now strategy Ken left. Another 6ft deeper for the coffin.

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Post ID: @1cap+17SRe4Jx
SpinCo: As I pointed out last time, SpinCo/NewCo will take a major amount of energy from senior
execs. There is no magic wand here. This is NOT a sophisticated process. I remember one time
walking into a Band A’s office as he was trying to lay out a major reorg of Sales. He quite literally
had a whiteboard covered with PostIt Notes with the names of Band B’s and C’s, the names of
the dept they covered, as he attempted to move people around to the new format. When I
asked him what the hell he was doing, he then proceeded to show how he would move one
PostIt Note to another location on the board trying to get the reorg set. Don’t expect SpinCo to
be any more sophisticated.

"There is no magic wand here. This is NOT a sophisticated process." Au contraire. Physical Post-Its on a physical whiteboard? Please. MURAL and Trello are now here to save the day!

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Post ID: @1ssd+17SRe4Jx

Great points! Please keep writing these.

Just to add 1 thing: hybrid cloud is failed strategy without a successful public cloud and therefore ibm will be mainframes + related software.
All the AI software is highly depended on platform and therefore customers would rather buy directly from amazon, Ms or goog if they're on their public cloud.
IBM's house of cards can crumble really fast because of this spinco sh–

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Post ID: @kbb+17SRe4Jx

Excellent points. "Delivering customer solutions they actually want", haven't seen it in years. The big questions is whether there are any capable people left in the company to get them developed, delivered and serviced.

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