Hi All - I was fired back in August, it's a long and complicated story, anyhow - I got fired. My questions is about disclosure - for example if I apply for a job with company X can the manager over there (or X's HR department) reach out to Cisco to get the info why I left - and if yes, is Cisco going to disclose this.
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Cisco, like most employers, will verify your start and end dates. They won't mention anything about your separation other than the date.
Companies keep mum because if they were to dissuade someone from hiring you - you could sue them. Companies used to disclose whether someone was eligible to be rehired or not, but then that too led to judgements against ex-employers.
Piece of advice - ask if the company you are applying to answers employment verification requests from other companies. A recent trend over the past several years is for companies to ignore simple start and end date verification requests. A company may demand verification from recruits, but not offer them to ex-employees, which will leave you in a lurch when you move on.
Don't worry about it. Come up with a buzzword reason, then get out there and do your best.
Cisco have to be extremely careful. If Cisco say no to a re hire they have to justify the no and it has to be disclosed. Any personal data Cisco hold on you you have a right to.
hiring managers will not take feedback from official channel. they will access their network, and invariably there might be someone you heard of you from 4 connections away.
As you know the indian crab mentality, they will give bad feedback..
it should not be surprising.
A former employee can seek damages if they can prove that they’ve been given an unfair or inaccurate reference so most HR departments restrict what can be written.
In my last employer we were not allowed to write personal references, they were centrally generated by HR. References were limited to “this person was employed by the company in the following roles between the following dates.”
The same applies to Cisco. They (HR) will only provide your start and end dates and your job title(s). Cisco HR prohibits managers from saying anything other than "yes, they worked here. For further info, here's the contact info for HR ...".
If you're lucky, you may work for a manager who's willing to put a reference on your LinkedIn profile, but that's rare because if HR finds out, they can get in trouble.
When an HR department or background check firm contacts a candidate's former HR to verify employment, the only information given will be dates of employment and title. That is entirely different from job references that you give - presumably a manager and/or colleagues that you have asked to act as a reference for you.
A lot of the Cisco managers go to the same temple and know managers from other companies. It's likely they will not even call through the proper Cisco channels (HR). They will directly find out who you worked for and shun you.
I'm not in HR but when I verify employment, all companies will provide are hire and termination dates and confirm job title but nothing else. Companies are not looking to deprive employees of future job opportunities plus there is always the fear that employees can retaliate or sue them if the information HR provides is inaccurate.
Clever
so a smart employer can figure out from this the nature of departure
prospective employers ask “would you rehire” to which cisco can legally answer ‘no’.
Indirectly Yes!
prospective employers ask “would you rehire” to which cisco can legally answer ‘no’.
Are you one of the ‘All Lives Matter” check-in commenters that got fired?
No. Cisco will only confirm employment. Period. No other details.
It probably depends where you are and what your local employment legislation states. In my country the following applies. Any reference “must be fair and accurate - and can include details about workers’ performance and if they were sacked”.
A former employee can seek damages if they can prove that they’ve been given an unfair or inaccurate reference so most HR departments restrict what can be written.
My own experience of writing references (at other employers) was that they had to be kept brief and stick to facts, not opinions. I never wrote one for someone that was fired though.
In my last employer we were not allowed to write personal references, they were centrally generated by HR. References were limited to “this person was employed by the company in the following roles between the following dates.”
What do you mean "I was fired" ? I think Cisco only use the term "LR" instead of "fired".
Yes. They use an automated service but it will provide your employment history in detail including the reason of your departure.