Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

Well in the past they tried to play the fool and make us think that eNPS was anonymous. At least I don't see that dumb game in the culture survey. But in the end this is a game in which they are looking for you to provide the answers they expect, its all a fake game.

I worked for Deloitte. They only keep people for 2 to 3 years max before kicking them to the curb. If you like short term gigs or being a contractor, then go there.

25+ years...gave up the "going any further" idea shortly after landline leadership took over Mobility. But I get a ton of vacation and a bit over that figure from the OP in salary. When they ask me to leave, I will. Figure I've done pretty well here overall. To OP's point, I don't think a out of college kid can aspire to this kind of career now. If you have the RIGHT connections you MIGHT have a shot at Director level or higher, if not, you haven't a chance.

@1gqd+17qV4wPU, not a legacy employee, just a guy who know what my former peers are going through. They are struggling to find new jobs. These are all stem grads who would have been better off using their degrees to work elsewhere, would have made more money with more career stability.

Many are depressed because they feel stuck by upper management who refuse to allow them to move around and explore new opportunities despite trying their hardest. Those 2020 development calls were a joke. The jobs were never there to begin with.

Some of their peers are seniors at Deloitte, Intel, Cummings enjoying six figure plus learning skillsets to go from company to company.

I would have stayed at AT&T on year max.

Op speaks the truth

OP is probably a legacy employee whose poisoning the water so the younger know-it-alls won't compete for the cushy job he/she is loafing at. The guile of the old will always defeat youth.

real, honest eNPS survey for free.........no tracking or withholding results

If you work a lot of overtime you can make $120k in craft ... a lot of overtime, like you basically live at work most of the time. People who come on here and claim they made $180k in a craft position are crack smokers looking for attention.

I would say in all seriousness, if you have been here 20 years ride it out. 15 to 20 in craft I would learn other skills. Less than 15, I would for sure be looking elsewhere.

The job may still be here but you will likely be doing it as a contractor eventually for less pay and benefits. It's obvious they are going to cut everything everywhere as much as possible.

If so many people have been there 10-20+ years, it can't be all that bad. Let the younger folks get their experiences in these companies and decide for themselves. Going to technology companies are not always better because a lot of employees jump around in startups and Google. There will be some good and bad wherever you go. We are dealing in very uncertain times right now and if another pandemic or crisis occurs, there will still be the threat of a lot of layoffs and business closures no matter where you go. Tensions are high at the moment but it will level off over time. Don't give up yet.

I dislike what T has turned into just as much as the next person , but there are plenty of folks making that kind of cash in certain areas. Plenty in those same areas are also way under paid. The bigger issue is, once you make senior or lead (depending on your group) you pretty much max out. Doesn’t matter how well you perform or how much you take on. I’m definitely in the “we’ll see” or “there aren’t any openings” or pick your excuse club for not going any further. I’ve managed some massive projects and had top level results for a while. Still stuck. At a certain point (age, years) you get stuck or forgotten about and the bosses don’t feel like they need to do anything more for you.

My advice, don’t stagnate for too long. Bounce to a new group or bounce out to a higher position some place else. Don’t stick around too long in a role or team or you will get stuck. I’ll be bouncing out on my own in a few weeks.

I would have to agree. The company was very good to me the first 20 years, but it has turned to c-ap in a big way. Maybe work here for 3 years out of college, learn whatever you can, and move along. This is nowhere near the company it used to be. They are basically turning it into a short term sweat shop, and with minimal, inferior, benefits. This is not me venting sour grapes. I very much appreciate my job, but the writing is on the wall.

If I had known the company would turn out this way I would have never set foot in the door 25 years ago

This is real, take this advice and take action ASAP!

GREAT advice. Thank you!