Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

After my teenager son watches some videos talking about new cloud products on www.cisco.com, he reaches a conclusion that these new offerings are basically Wireshark with better looking GUI!?

BREAKING NEWS.
(San Jose, CA)

Juniper Cloud costs less than Cisco Cloud.

Cisco routers cost more than Juniper routers. Or to say another way, Juniper routers cost less than Cisco routers.

Additionally, Juniper's less expensive routers are used in cloud. And likewise, Cisco's more expensive routers are also used in cloud.

However, neither Juniper or Cisco actually have a Cloud. So why does the phrase "Cisco Cloud" continue to be repeated by Cisco executives? Simply put, every sales person knows ALL the buzzwords. The speak the language.

Finally, Cisco never offered it's customers a Cisco Cloud. What Cisco executives are calling a Cloud is actually a Cisco Cloud Services Router. You do realize that is just a ROUTER, right? It is not a Cisco Cloud. It is just a ROUTER, but it keeps being compared to "Cisco Cloud".

A router and a Cloud are NOT the same thing. But to Cisco Executives, a ROUTER and a Cloud ARE the same thing. Total myth. They are entirely different.

Conclusion:

By Cisco Executive's own admission, Juniper Cloud costs less than Cisco Cloud.
(reasoning: Juniper Routers cost less than Cisco Routers)

Reporter: Juniper Neus.

References:
https://juniper.net

Comments:
They are expensive because you are basically paying for name, reputation, and ...

IBM stock took 8 years to drop 40%. Don't expect Cisco stock to plummet anytime soon. First a financial analyst needs to find all the hidden debt. Where did KK's team cleverly hide the debt?

As someone who put in 20 years at Cisco, it is sad to see this sink ship.
The sinking started way before Chuck. It started with Pankaj Patel and Padmasree Warrier and all these sh– shows.
The Indian management nightmare with its maze of politics, 15 levels to John Chambers, etc. was the first sign of a great ship slowly sinking. The ship is currently halfway under water.
I expect Cisco's stock to trade around $5 in 2023 unless drastic actions are taken.

Cisco is not a technology company. We specialize in stock buybacks, dividends, and acquiring technology companies. More like a financial institution that markets itself as a tech company.

the only “cisco cloud” will be a rain 🌧 cloud

I'm a business person but cisco is too focused on letting business run the show. This is a technology company, we should have a technical person running the show or atleast worry less about immediate short term profit maximization.

painal to read these comments.

You forgot Intercloud (billion dollar debacle), and Composite (k–led aquisition)

CloudCenter (CliQr)
MetaCloud (MetaPod)
CCP (Google using Cisco to build Anthos)
I'm sure I'm missing a few greatest hits.

yeah was LR'd three years ago. At the time was mostly network troubleshooter and had VMWare / Cloud knowledge was "average" (can build VMs, do iSCI to VM)...blah, blah, blah...basic stuff.

New gig hired me because I had network background but they wanted someone that could do both. Three years later making 30% more than when I was LR'd. Lots of folks on VM side good at VM side but weak on old-school networking.

Bummer because I really wanted to stay @ Cisco. Sorry you told me to GTFO so I guess I had to go.

While I agree with the need to axe a bunch of execs, Cisco DID have the right talent to build a cloud portfolio, but they started LRing most of them starting in 2015/16. This was one of the bigger mistakes, as most of those ex employees went on to work with many successful cloud companies (ie competitors).

Agree the Board of Directors must replace Chuck ASAP with a technical CEO to give Cisco a chance survive

So aligned with the need to replace the present ceo with a technical innovator.... all Cisco is right now is a dying venture capitalist fund...and it is not even very good at that anymore....at least in the past there was some real attempt at integrating the bought companies.

What Cisco Cloud?

Cisco don’t have a cloud business.

Instead, they created another business unit (BU) that adds a second http port for restConf.

This port simply returns a Router config in XML or JSON.

It’s the exact same output you receive from the command line “show running configuration”.

That’s it. There is no Cisco Cloud.

Try Google Cloud or AWS. There is NO Cisco Cloud.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Chuck is the problem as any exec with technical expertise left the company
Cisco needs to replace Chuck with a technical CEO to have any chance to survive

I disagree with the original post. Cisco main problem is the (lack of) leadership who could have driven the company to innovation and excellence. You could hire whomever you want for the rank and file roles - but if the vision to create innovation is not valued and supported at the very top then it is destined to fail. Now for the investors the Cisco company is a cash cow so it's all about maximising profit even if this will ultimately cause the company to fail. It's just maximizing profits during a managed decline phase.

Another thought is that you appear to be very young and that hubris can be seen through your post. But that does not matter anyway...

Cisco is a relationship based company. If you are 50 or above, you better have close friends in senior leadership roles. Otherwise get ready for the food bank.