Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

No company is too big to go under and we are on the way down!

I have been here for 21 years now and for the past 18 years I have had the same role. I actually liked it until mid last year. But I can't help but notice that since JC left and especially since MM came in and started this entire CX reorg nonsense, things seemed to have gone downhill overall. Wherever I look, everything is about cost cutting whether it makes sense or not. Everything that can possibly be outsourced to India, etc. is getting outsourced. Everyone knows our customers don't like it, in fact most hate it. We have CX mission statements that say 'customer obsession'. Yet in reality, everything we do has nothing to do with customer obsession but with money obsession. I understand we need to be profitable but it appears that the overall business strategies don't seem to work, hence senior management around the world becomes desperate to save face for shareholders. Now we cut staff and internal costs anywhere and everywhere, just so that we appear to be profitable to the outside.

What senior execs don't realise is that all the talent, technical excellence and many years of experience in the industry is getting lost because all these talented and experienced people are getting shown the door as they are too expensive. We charge our customers premium dollars for our CX services, promising them state of the are service from start to end. Yet in the backend we outsource almost everything to ie. India. We have CX engineers that show face to the customer but in the backend have to constantly fix up the sub-standard quality that CXC people produce. We are lying in every customers face by selling and promising them top services yet we don't actually give them the top resources they deserve and pay for. Is this ethical?

We are constantly bombarded with weekly all hands, check ins, Live/laugh/learn and other such BS meetings that try to make employees believe the organisation really cares about them. Yet, with every turn you make these days you wonder when your number is up because you are too expensive, your department is not profitable enough or there is just not enough work coming in cause for whatever reason we can't sell enough product and services any more.

But who can blame the seemingly decreasing profit of the company overall? It feels as innovation has taken a backseat (maybe cause we got rid of too many smart people???). Many products are just not relevant any more or outdated in one or another way. Services are not unto scratch on what customers really need. Frantically and desperately people like MM & Co. seem to go from one reorg to another trying to make a buck, yet failing over and over again. Why? Cause they don't really focus on the customer's real needs - they focus on how to best exploit customers with minimal effort and the least amount of costs to us internally.

Various BUs seem to come out with random products, SW and initiatives. Every couple of weeks there seem to be something else that we try to stuff down our customer's throats saying this is the latest and greatest. Only that a few weeks later nobody talks or hears about these so great solutions and products any more.

It just seems we are going down hill on all levels.
Motivation of employees (including mine) is at ground zero cause clearly the organisation doesn't give a c-ap any more regardless of how senior and good you are. You just become a cost factor and the more you earn the earlier you will be shown the door. Whether it makes sense or not - doesn't matter as long as it saves money.

It reminds me of my days at Nortel. It started exactly like that. Nortel was at some point bigger than Cisco. And where are they now? Gone. I feel is Cisco keeps going the way they do - they will eventually go under. Customers are not stupid.
Customers already start to look for other options. Services - why would a customer pay premium dollars for off shore resources? They can get that cheaper from a partner with the same or even better outcome.
Products? What do we actually produce that is life changing and that the competition doesn't have? Not that much I would argue. Cisco has just become a company like any other out there. A shame cause it was one of the best places to work for so many years. I'm just waiting for a big payout when my number is up but at this stage I won't be sad any more of not being part of this org much longer. Cisco has lost its shine.

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Post ID: @OP+198ehWWm

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It's sad because I've actually met a lot of people here with great initiative and good ideas. However they tend to be "managed out" for trying to change things. I still don't understand why this is...

Dashboards. Initiatives and ideas aren’t mechanically measurable and the time lost not doing the stupid busywork they do measure puts you at a disadvantage. Even if your manager knows what additional value you brought their managers, directors and VPs aren’t going to waste any time listening when ranking time comes around which means it’s in your immediate manager’s best interest to make you do the needless or throw you under the bus to keep their dashboard lights green. Most of the lab monkeys learn to keep hitting the button in their cages for treats, including the management responsible for all this.

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Post ID: @9now+198ehWWm

It's sad because I've actually met a lot of people here with great initiative and good ideas. However they tend to be "managed out" for trying to change things. I still don't understand why this is...

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Post ID: @8gij+198ehWWm

At Cisco either you are a woke sheep or not... I had enough and quit. If you are a white male conservative (or even middle of the road) you have no place at this company period no matter how "inclusive" the talking heads say the org is... The focus is not at all on running a business.

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Post ID: @7xca+198ehWWm

If you've been here 21 years, you helped create this t–d. Congratulations.

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Post ID: @7ffz+198ehWWm

Bada Bing Bada Boom...Bye Bye Cisco Gloom!

Leaving you in the mirror never felt so good!

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Post ID: @2ibf+198ehWWm

This is what every Cisconian needs to do...

1) Get on reddit and coordinate this effort.
2) Sell all of your CSCO (all of it, ESPs ..etc.)
3) Open a brokerage account (ameritrade, robinhood ..etc.)
4) Fund the account with 1K (minimal investment to see the ship turn around)
5) Short CSCO and drive the stock down (that's right down!)

This will reflect the true value of what's happening and force the board to take action.

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Post ID: @1jfx+198ehWWm

It is known that the top executives have no talent. The middle management is stuck with the caste system. Yes, the caste system exists in Cisco and no, it’s not only in India. The same practice has been there for years since when JC was around. No, there is nothing you can do about it.

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Post ID: @1rdf+198ehWWm

Short this PIG!

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Post ID: @1ozl+198ehWWm

IT and the Data & Analytics department are known for rampant discrimination.

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Post ID: @1zwn+198ehWWm

Left Cisco for a FAANG company last quarter. Couldn't be happier. Life outside of Cisco does exist.

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Post ID: @ovz+198ehWWm

I hear you and could not agree more. I'm also close to 2 decades in this company and its sad to see how far down Cisco has come since I joined. We used to have such a great culture throughout the company. Every day you would be surrounded by talented, smart and professional people. It was a fun place to work, often friendships formed out of work relationships, people laughed and had a good time and truly enjoyed working here. Cisco was a well respected and well known company almost anywhere in the world, it stood for something. People were proud to work here and wouldn't have wanted it any other way. I know of many people in the past that could have had better pay working elsewhere, but the Cisco brand and working with all those brilliant minds was more important than money. Why do we have (or I better say 'did we have') so many people in the company that have been here for 10-15+ years? Isn't that a sign that it must have been a good place to work? Instead of using the large number of people with many years of experience to its strength, these people are now being kicked out cause they are too old or cost too much or they just happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. What a short sighted and naive strategy!

We used to have kitchens stocked with goodies, Christmas parties where even family could attend, annual team building activities and so on. All of that was slowly taken away. Cisco was a leader on many levels, not just technology. I met a lot of people that wanted to work here and I was always speaking highly of the company and people I work for.

Today Cisco is a company like any other. People do their job but a lot of intellectual capability has left or had been kicked out, everyone just puts their head down and does what they have to do but without having any sort of fun, cause everyone doesn't know whether the next quarterly layoff/restructure means they have to find work elsewhere. The true Cisco culture has been lost a while ago and while the benefits are still reasonable good here - overall its not such an amazing place to work any more.

Its a real shame what the company leaders have done throughout the years, they have really missed the boat and started to drive things into the ground on all levels.

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Post ID: @qlo+198ehWWm
If I hear one more diversity and inclusion pitch I'm going to puke.

Then you’d better get a bucket, because there’s a lot more of it coming.

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Post ID: @bkz+198ehWWm

What if Ye old timers wait for the payout and they keep on scaling it back?

No guarantee on a big payout - could turn into a mediocre payout eventually.

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Post ID: @jgz+198ehWWm

One word will bury Cisco. "Entitlement"

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Post ID: @mig+198ehWWm

The diversity & inclusion initiates are to distract from our obsolete product offerings. Do you think AWS has layers of bureaucrats working on powerpoints?

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Post ID: @kee+198ehWWm

Reddit time for Cisco

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Post ID: @sgp+198ehWWm

I think a lot of folks are coasting for payroll + payout. If I hear one more diversity and inclusion pitch I'm going to puke.

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Post ID: @ttz+198ehWWm

Start a class-action suit as an investor...send Chuck and Team to court !

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Post ID: @auq+198ehWWm

Time to short Cisco stock

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Post ID: @xws+198ehWWm

Why don't you start short-selling Cisco ?

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Post ID: @gct+198ehWWm

OP should quit. Waiting for payout is symbolic of Cisco problems/culture.

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Post ID: @bax+198ehWWm

Agreed except JC was the cause too. He couldn’t help but be successful during the dot com boom. Once that tail wind was gone things went to sh–. If he has been canned in 2001 or 2 and the board replaced with with someone like Jayshree we’d be flying high.

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Post ID: @nhq+198ehWWm

Well stated. There is such a huge difference between the "Frugality" mentality of Cisco in the early days and their current Money Obsession (and Customer Neglect). Cisco crossed into money obsession over a decade ago and thus kicked off the moral decline of the outdated company.

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Post ID: @luc+198ehWWm

Could not have said it better, going to handover my resignation soon. There is way too much politics and very poor leadership. Do not have an offer at hand but too frustrated to be part of this greedy organization. Better use my time searching something that actually contributes back to society. And groundhog day is coming its gonna be a blood bath again. Do not ever join cisco they will make you feel they are doing for you where as they just want to get their work done. Slog for 12-15 hours a day still the manager is not happy, just greedy bunch of management top to bottom.

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Post ID: @pkw+198ehWWm

Somebody is getting axed. After 21 years, you just realized that Cisco is a Dinosaur?

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Post ID: @rne+198ehWWm

It's simple... we are a legacy network equipment company focused on cost cutting. Cisco missed out on the cloud and enterprise software.

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Post ID: @buy+198ehWWm

G'Day Mate

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Post ID: @vjd+198ehWWm

Totally agree! I just tendered my resignation and looking forward to my last day!

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Post ID: @pyj+198ehWWm

Thank you for representing me as well in above. Could not have said it better or more elaboratly.

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Post ID: @ywg+198ehWWm

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