Is Cisco advocating that everyone get innoculated?
Every new strain, we will need a new innoculation.
Innoculation every month.
Only Cisco innovation?
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As long as our senior age coworkers get their vaccine we all should be ok.
Everyone needs it. It's not 100% effective, so even if you're young and might be asymptomatic or have a mild case, the senior age coworkers might get it (1 in 10, based on the effective rates). Or, they might end up carrying it home to someone who hasn't been vaccinated yet because we don't know if vaccinated people can be carriers.
Don't be selfish. If you don't want to take an experimental vaccination, fine, don't. Just don't be careless in public. Keep your distance from me, and I'll wear my mask and stay distanced from you and we can both enjoy being out in public.
I do think it's time to re-open businesses. Let people choose whether or not to patronize that business or not. Let's keep the mask mandate until vaccinations are available to everyone for enough time for everyone to get their second dose and wait the 2 weeks afterwards for full effectiveness before dropping the mask mandate. I don't need to go see a movie in a theater or watch a sporting event in person, but if you want to, go ahead. I'll continue to get my meals to-go and go grocery shopping during non-peak times at locations that are not overly crowded. Everyone's happy.
I don't want to get into a flame war on the ethics of requiring a vaccination, or whether or not you should take an experimental vaccination.
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has allowed companies to mandate the flu and other vaccines, and has also indicated they can require COVID-19 vaccines.
Just because the EOC has allowed companies to mandate it, doesn't mean that companies can enforce it. Right now, you CAN'T get the vaccination even if you want it unless you fall into one of the eligibility categories being vaccinated by your state. If you're not (yet) eligible for the vaccination, how can an employer mandate that you get one before coming to into the office? That is assuming that they mandate a return to the office before vaccinations are available to everyone.
I've read where the military has a significant percentage of service members who are refusing the vaccination. Because it's currently under an emergency authorization and not FDA approved, they can do so. But once it's fully FDA approved, they'll be forced to get it just like I was forced to get the flu shot annually. I'm not sure why they want to avoid getting it when they're (the national guard, at least) being deployed into areas of protest and riots where they're face-to-face with crowds of people. I'd want to protect myself if I'm being ordered into crowd control of maskless people.
It's my hope that, with vaccinations, we can eliminate COVID instead of it being an annual shot like the flu shot. Most likely, as the virus mutates into different strains, we'll just need booster shots for each newer strain which should be a single shot.
My biggest concern about returning to the office is not required vaccinations, but wearing of masks. I wear a mask whenever I go out into public, i.e. to the grocery store. I don't wear it in my car, or getting my mail from the multi-unit mailboxes, or while walking. I might have it with me just in case I encounter someone, but I only wear it when I'm around others I don't live with. I can't see to read while wearing a mask, as most masks block that portion of my glasses used for reading. Wearing progressive (bi-focal) lenses s—s as you get older. I wouldn't mind wearing my mask in the office when walking down the hallways, in the elevators, breakrooms or bathrooms, but while I'm at my desk I need to be able to see/read my monitor.
I'm hoping that mask wearing becomes a semi-permanent thing during flu season. I'm not talking mandated, and business closures/limited capacities, just people being encouraged/allowed to wear masks during the flu season when in public. If people aren't coughing and sneezing all over door knobs, faucet handles, etc. with the flu, then there'll be much less spread. Maybe the flu doesn't k–l as many people, but it sure makes people feel bad for 3-5 days and causes lost work, so let's not ridicule people for wearing a mask in flu season so fewer people get sick. I love that Cisco allowed, and on many teams, encouraged people who were sick or had sick children to voluntarily work from home during flu season to prevent the spread of the flu in the office.
Many years, I wouldn't catch the flu, but I'd inevitably be around someone at work who had it or their kids had it and they were a carrier and I'd end up carrying it home to my family. Once my children moved out, the first time someone in the office started coughing during flu season, I'd start working from home for 80% of the time until spring and I rarely carried the flu home to my spouse.
Look for it on your next COBC!
As long as our senior age coworkers get their vaccine we all should be ok.
No need for cussing.
That's ONLY because we are currently working from home.
Chuck said they are not requiring vaccinations
you f—ing r—ds.
I don't see how any company can legally "require" Covid vaccination while they are all still in the experimental stage (which means you can't sue the mfg if something bad happens to you because of it).
Additionally– the makers of the "vaccines" will point out strange "not vaccine like" qualities, such as:
1) You can still get Covid after the shot(s).
2) You can still pass Covid to others after the shot(s).
So the only benefit of the vaccines is that your immune system doesn't overreact and k–l you. Something like that happens (depending upon your age and general health condition) lesser the younger you are.
So let me get this straight. We all want things to go back to a more “normal” place which requires herd immunity. However some folks think “let someone else get the vaccines” rather than them to get us there...
Hmmm...that doesn’t seem self centered.
Apparently c@1zzj+19A9YrZ3 is using the same Grade 2 logic QAnon people use. People who don't get vaccinated will get contaminated and then spread it to people who cannot get vaccines for medical reasons or children under 12 years old for example. Not to mention that vaccines not 100% effective and I am the one who got vaccinated but for some reason it didn't work, I can die because you decided you don't want it.
Yeah, grade 2 logic and grade 0 biology. Their logic is like people who think they don’t have to turn their headlights on because everybody else has theirs on. The body is not quite so clear cut and binary.
Get real. If a company can't figure out, after a decade, how to mandate "Smart Licensing" requirements on their own products; what makes one think they'll able to mandate vaccination requirements on their own employees?
Apparently c@1zzj+19A9YrZ3 is using the same Grade 2 logic QAnon people use. People who don't get vaccinated will get contaminated and then spread it to people who cannot get vaccines for medical reasons or children under 12 years old for example. Not to mention that vaccines not 100% effective and I am the one who got vaccinated but for some reason it didn't work, I can die because you decided you don't want it. And because we are resisting vaccines some diseases like polio are making a come back.
The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission has allowed companies to mandate the flu and other vaccines, and has also indicated they can require COVID-19 vaccines.
Finally, people who don't believe in Science should be nowhere near companies that deal with Technology and Science. Clearly this is not the industry for you.
@ @1mke+19A9YrZ3 There is a constitution stopping companies from forcing vaccines. But don't worry. if you get vaccinated then you are safe (if the vaccine works) from being around a non vaccinated person. (I'm not sure why this would bother anyone.) The people who choose not to be vaccinated to avoid possible side effects can do so. It doesn't get any simpler than this (unless you have stock in a pharmaceutical and want to push a vaccine on everyone.) In summary, if you believe in the vaccine(s) then take one and you are safe. Do not worry if others have a vaccine or not. This should put everyone at ease. Grade two logic.
If you want to believe in conspiracy theories, be anti-vaxxer and think that your "freedom" trumps other people's safety, well, you can do that working for a company that agree with your views. Your "rights" are not above the rights of the rest of us. You have the freedom to not take a vaccine and Cisco has the freedom to not want you near the rest of the employees getting people ill and impacting morale and productivity.
No Farmers, No Food.
Yeah when you put it that way it’s like how they lay off.
With every quarter (strain) it’s the threat of a new layoff (inoculation).
It’s gotta s— if you don’t want to get the vaccine, you are scared of the long term potential effects, but you get it to keep your Cisco job but you still have to worry about getting laid off constantly anyway or you get it and then they lay you off.
They will make a VAX the only option for your next refresh. I hope you know VMS.
I don't see the problem with "no vax, no job". Seriously.....Covid is no joke. Have you spent any time in the "no job" scenario? If I owned a company right now, I'd require my employees to get the vaccine also....no option.
Check in? I haven’t been to one of those since they fired those peop,e for a fairly bland comment.
Conformity is very important at Cisco
We have ways of making you Vax. Conform.
If you were an actual Cisco employee you would have heard the announcement regarding vaccination requirements at the check in.
"No Vax, No Job", that's gonna be Cisco's new motto.
It's worse than that. Cisco will mandate that you get vax as condition of employment. You will have vax ID card/App to use for admission into any building/vendor office or to host people at your home (if WFH).