If you are NRE do they dare to PIP you or are you off limits ? What is the actual definition of NRE ?
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Over 55 and 15 years and NSI, then have choice of PIP or PIL. If PIL chosen or PIP fail, you retire.
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Are 55-60 with 15+ years eligible for PIL or protected like NRE?
Still not completely clear if a person 58 years old and 25 years of service (so actually RE), is that open to PIP or PIL?
Is that 58 year old open to PIL?
Anyone else NRE (near retirement eligible) and ‘surprising’ falling into the NSI category after an good performing career? Looking into ageism discrimination and curious if others are looking into this as well.
Seems to me if NRE are protected those who are not NRE have a case for being discriminated against.
Definition is 12+ years of service AND 52+. There is no good reason for Company to risk age discrimination law suits since those people are still fairly productive and will just be natural attrition or PIP candidates very soon anyway.
I think they will start including a few NTE’s at a time with layoffs so age discrimination will not seem like it’s a factor. It will save them a lot of money and they do not care about employees. You have only been safe this long due to the possible legal implications.
With all the old rules and norms going out the window I wouldn’t be feeling too secure counting on my age to save me.
Employees are retirement eligible if they are age 55+ and have 15+ years of service. If you were hired at age 45, you become eligible at age 60 (15 years service).
NRE is simply being within 3 years of reaching retirement eligibility. For the vast majority of employees, it ends up being age 52-54. In the above experienced hire example, NRE would be age 57-59.
The company won’t terminate NREs based on low relative performance ratings due to potential legal challenges (i.e., unfairly terminated so close to becoming eligible for retirement benefits). NREs were also protected from the recent layoffs for the same reason.
Low ranked NREs are informed of their performance category and the supervisor has to conduct documented performance counseling.
Unless a miracle occurs, the NRE will continue to be rated low in subsequent years and then PIPed and forced to retire as soon as retirement eligibility is achieved.
And still no clear answer
A real NRE is 52-55 with 15 yrs checked - this is where lawsuits are legit. For 55+ with less than 15 yrs, tough luck, you were old when you showed up already
Real NREs are not put on PIPs, they are put on something called DPC (Documented Performance Counceling, do a search here, there is even a snapshot from an HR site with details). Same as PIP, only they can't fail you, unless for cause (absentee, d–gs etc)
Still, they make your life hell so that you retire as soon as you turn 55. Or, they PIP you as soon as you turn 55, so you last a few months longer. Take your pick.
I think a better definition would be 55+ and 3 years or less to reach 15 years. Agree ?
@lyx+19GRtHf1 is correct.
You could be 58, for example, with 13.5 years - 1.5 years from Retirement(15 yr service).
This is also NRE.
This classification is indeed a protection from Age-related federal and local lawsuits.
Age-Related laws are very tight and punishing.
This is one reason EM PiP'd personnel who opt to sign the 'Waiver' have the ability to opt out (separately) from the Age-related waiver. They cannot opt out of waiving any gender, race, religious legal action - but they can opt out on Age-related.
In last year's PiPing (and perhaps the next), the company was very foolish in several ways.
Not this area though.
I beg to differ. I believe how many years you are away from retirement is also a factor. Example: A 60-61 year old within 2- 3 years of retirement eligibility (12-13 years of service) would also be considered an NRE . I may be wrong, but pretty sure this qualifies as NRE also.
Near Retirement Eligible is 52-54. Once you turn 55, you are no longer a NRE employee. Yes, NRE employees can still be terminated for cause regardless of your ranking such as consistently late to work, refusing to return to campus, insubordination, abuse of AMEX, d–g/alcohol... etc. NRE employees cannot be terminated for "no cause" unless the company wants to deal with a lawsuit based solely on age discrimination.
As an NRE that is in the bottom, you may not ever see a raise or a promotion from the age of 52-55 if you are in the bottom of the rankings.
In USA it would be very rare to PIP-off or layoff anyone who is NRE for performance. Would need cause. They are very afraid of lawsuits for people who are NRE.
GP CPM VP basically said in a forum that they wouldn’t pip off a nre because they don’t want to be sued for age discrimination.
Technically yes. But then what's the pass rate for NRE on PIP?
NRE is the US is 53+. No one is excluded from the PIP process.
I’ve been told that even the PIP process is a bit different for NRE folks. They’re so afraid of getting sued and tarnishing their fake a– reputation that all an NRE has to do is show up for work to stay on until RE.
Yes, you can be added to the PIP group. They will make your life miserable so that you’ll walk out on your own.
I’m pretty sure NRE means Near Retirement Eligible. If I’m not mistaken, this means within 3 years of retirement. As far as whether or not this would preclude you from PIP, I don’t know.