Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

To the poster that used the phrase "As a person in the supposed favored demographic" there is no "supposed favored demographic" there is a literal favored demographic - female people of color.

You may have an experience that is different from the current system. But people are literally being forced to sign up for this. Go ahead and do a CEC search on Multiplier Effect and you can read much of it for yourself. Ask any director in CX about it.

Nepotism and Favoritism will always exist. But meritocracy has been down voted in favor of modern day affirmative action.

I don't think anyone actually likes it, even people its supposed to benefit. But exist it does.

As a person in the supposed favored demographic, my experience in NSA, ANS then whatever was next, is nothing like this poster suggests.
If you were an L D S you were going places fast. I knew a guy who was an NCE and kept getting promoted all the way to VP. His kid did his mission trip in the UK, and Cisco gave the guy a promotion to VP and moved him to the UK. We were customer facing yet this guy NEVER was in any customer engagements. How did he get all of those promotions?? No one questions those moves for obvious reasons.

My work was solid, but the politics dictated who got promoted. I just focused on my accounts and moved on. People of substance aren't valued no matter the race or gender, but you can make everything about what suits your limited thinking.

Discrimination for the sake of inclusion. That's cisco all over. Be any color other than white or be something other than a straight, one of the two s-xes and you are going places. There once was a time that you put your head down, did what it took to get things done and you were rewarded or at least you knew everyone was doing the same. Long gone is that culture because of such woke garbage and pandering by chuck and the rest of the flunkies. Wait until thye put the final nail in the coffin when they promote MM. That incompetent hag never should have been hired. fran is over matched, and chuck should be gone after we tank it this quarter and worse the next quarter.

The main issue is somehow there is an expectation that people want to actually be friendly in general and somehow try to get along with most other people.

The truth is many people, regardless of race, are genuinely either loners and want to keep to themselves and their own opinions; or on the other end of the spectrum are inherently not very happy and are looking to start problems.

Sad to say, the above hasn't changed since humankind has walked this planet. It is regretfully inherent in the collective human nature.

Whatever happened to rewarding and promoting based on merit? Favoring one demographic over another for whatever reason is just discrimination in the guise of "diversity". Hire the best, reward and promote the high achievers without considering ethnicity, s-x, s-xual preference, or age. That is how to build high performing teams.

Wokeness is k–ling Cisco.

The fact they are fake and garbage degrees doesn’t matter in modern hiring

Why would you effing muppets downvote that? We are returning to the early 1950’s South Africa on race. We are heading for a new civil conflict. Why do you think that telling 35-40% of the US population that they are toxic rapists and Nazis who belong in a gulag is going to end well?
We are reaching peak stupid.

you have to understand indian culture. they are driven to succeed, failure is not an option. they do anything it takes. indian degrees are mostly fake, they pay off admissions to pass them. in usa, we have a similar problem with wealthy families paying for children to pass.

instead of getting angry at l1s or h1bs who come over to work at cisco, you should look at cisco itself. they are a company who has been playing us citizens and l1/h1b employees against eachother for years. they are not the only corp playing this game. other players include tcs, wipro, and infosys.

nothing will change until us laws change

The fact they are fake and garbage degrees doesn’t matter in modern hiring. For example, the University of California hires people, first and foremost, by their Diversity, Inclusiveness and Equity “statement”. Their academic qualifications come after that. Three quarters of otherwise suitable candidates are eliminated because their DIE statements were considered less than acceptable.
Not surprisingly, this policy mainly disqualified whites and Asian Americans. Latinxs (women) seem to have been the massive winners.
I’m not making this up - you can find evidence in a few clicks. Now, it’s just a matter of how long before Cisco and other more woke companies institute similar hiring practices.

@3hxk those are fake and garbage degrees.

What diversity? So many teams outside of India are full of Indians when the manager is an Indian. When JC and Pankaj were around, one time all the engineering VP's were Indians. Don't get me wrong. I have seen and worked with excellent Indian engineers and leaders in start-ups, but somehow Cisco can only attract those who count on nepotism and favoritism. Yes, the caste system exists in Cisco and in groups outside of India. For those who are not Indians, they are simply treated as Dalits.

Indian degrees are the most prestigious.

Cisco's Data & Analytics org is essentially a high-caste social club. A personal piggy bank for those with power. HR just looks the other way.

With regards to the comment regarding the number if Indian employees - In the United States the problem or racism/discrimination is largely viewed as Caucasian vs everyone else. What is largely ignored or more likely "wished away" is the racism/discrimination of a non-white person against other non-white persons of a different race.

Take a good look at IT. There are many good examples of organizations outside of India where Indian leaders have all or substantially all Indian employee team members. That just doesn't happen by chance yet HR has never been seen to take action on such situations. If those same organizations then participate in the recruiting process its no mystery that they perpetuate that condition.

Cisco has always been lazy on this subject. If you look at the percentage of African-American employees it is pitiful. Same with the other Silicon Valley tech companies. If they would ever bother to do data analysis of the full interview cycle no doubt you'd find many many examples of SJC based employees passing on diverse candidates from the big West coast colleges. Then look East at how diverse the recruiting is in the RTP campus.

Everyone knows you need a Plan B by 50 in the Corporate World. The people in denial about corporate age discrimination really suffer.

This is so bad.

Whatever happened to ageism? That's an even bigger problem at Cisco. That should be added to the "sponsor" system. A young director would have to find an older, opposite gender/color person and sponsor them. Oh wait......there aren't many of those left, regardless of gender/color (although old white males are the biggest target).

I informed HR that I now officially identify as a Sovereign Citizen.

Sovereign Citizens are exempt from LR actions. Technically, would Cisco be LR'ing a person or a corporation?

Since it cannot be defined that the LR is targeting one entity or the other, I hereby do not recognize the LR authority and will remain exempt.

We have had a black woman who was a first time front line manager for just few years get promoted to a director cause she was black. A new position director position was made for her with 1 report. The position was not even advertised. It is obvious she is not qualified. This is an insult to every one regardless of race.

Only those who are white/black/latinos/females/lgbt/vetarans/disabled are being targeted for diversity.

I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. I was a disabled Veteran and was LR'd by Cisco, so I guess being an older white male offset my disabled Veteran status. It certainly hasn't helped with getting me converted from a red-badge to a blue-badge again.

Indians are brown and being brown does not impact diversity targets. Only those who are white/black/latinos/females/lgbt/vetarans/disabled are being targeted for diversity.

75% percent of Cisco's employees are people of color. Indians are certainly not white. Why is that Indians have succeeded so well at Cisco while Hispanics and African Americans haven't? What magic amulets do they have to ward off Whitey's systemic racism that other people of color seem to lack?

First time I'm hearing of this "full spectrum diverse" thing. So if the director is a black female, she is required to hire a white male?

it's exactly what i think

Wow. Just. Wow.