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IBM NJ State age discrimination case involving top executives on cloud and a Research Scientist RAs

This may be helpful to some RAed to read.

A New Jersey age discrimination case filed in the state court by https://www.cahnparralaw.com/ latest action is a motion to depose the CEO. The filings are available at:

https://portal.njcourts.gov/webcivilcj/CIVILCaseJacketWeb/pages/publicAccessDisclaimer.faces

After passing the "I am not a robot", select from the menu Civil Part, County Middlesex Case number 007334 Year 18. you may need again to pass the "I am not a robot" check.

This should be interesting to some people in a similar situation and for discovery purposes of background material.

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@3vyy yet IBM saying they hire highschool graduates, and train tyem to reach 6 figures salaries without college degrees. If layoffs are skills based, why ibm trains those high school graduates but layoffs the old?
If we get this in an open trial, and jury verdict, it could help thousands not agreeing to arbitration. In jury trials the jury can punish IBM with "punitive" awards way larger than the loss and pain awards for an employee. I think arbitration doesn't have this punishment nor a jury to decide.
I hope this case goes to trial for us to see.

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This will continue to happen as it is happening top down in some places and bottom up in others.

Was in an org for a short bit where younger folks largely disregarded and sometimes blatantly disrespected experience, insights, and skills of older talent.

It was quite disgusting and clearly ingrained in that orgs culture. While it wasn't top down there, a few first line managers perpetuated the thought that older talent were out-of-touch with modern aspects of their role.

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@3jsq this NJ case is from 2018 it seems. Cases where filed before the EEOC letter issued last year. But no case got to trial and to a verdict. Looks like cases are settled for confidential terms. If we had a trial and verdict of a jury award, that could help decide if you sign the IBM's agreement not to sue in court just be allowed to do a closed doors arbitration, without a jury, in return for an equivalent of 3 months pay. Imagine if a trial goes through verdict with millions $$ jury award, who will agree to give up such rights, not to mention that lawyers like locust will flood IBM with lawsuits without asking an upfront pay, in contingency terms. Even the YouTube video of a journalist posted bellow settled, could be for a lot of money given the person determination and change of 3 lawfirms all had to be paid I guess.

We don't know about US cases of settled , or suddenly dropped for nothing. But, in the UK we see a multi plantiffs case settled except 4 individuals who probably wanted, and may have hot, more:
https://www.theregister.com/2019/11/25/ibm_uk_settles_281_age_discrimination_cases/
There's a 2017 case in Texas, that was closed just as it was scheduled for trial. We don't know if it got settled and for how much. But same lawfirm filed another case with 15 plantiffs obviously they did good with their first case, as the judge there ordered IBM to provide Ginni's emails related to age discrimination exchanged with top executives :
https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2020/09/22/ibm_sued_again_for_age_discrimination/
Of course the EEOC helps but will it ho to trial or settled without IBM admitting wrong doing? There are other cases before the EEOC letter was published, including class action lawsuit.
If one case ends with a jury verdict this will be helpful for new cases instead of the confidential settlements so far. Let's hope one case wil do it finally.

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Post ID: @3yja+19fdojGA

EEOC just ruled against ibm in sept 2020 after taking 3 years to investigate. I think the firms suing were waiting for that ruling to give them the final nail... sad thing is ibm has still not stopped discriminating... it was a given when I was there that if you were over 50 you had a target on your back.

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@jGA interesting very helpful video. I wonder indeed why no age discrimination case actually got to a trial and verdict. Even the YouTube Frank's story got settled under confidential terms. IBM had many cases but no jury verdict trials?

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Interesting ageism case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw3k5O00Tz8

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