They know very well who are the least productive employees, who are the ones that create a bad atmosphere, do backstabbing, take credit for other people’s merits, etc. It is impossible that they do not know. However, nothing is happening and such people are still here.
This way Ford actually encourages other employees to emulate them, as they are clearly in favorable position here. I'll never understand why our management tolerates such behavior.
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Previous poster sounds like my Dad who feels Ivy league education puts a mark on you.
Being great at sports can get you a full ride or into a top tier school including the ivy league, Stanford, MIT, Georgetown, etc. It is a lot of work but if you choose a less competitive program such manufacturing engineering at an elite school you can be well positioned to deliver good grades and become an FCG.
Team sports at a D3 school may get you a full ride avoiding student debt. The downside are that the program may appear "light" to some employers.
Team sports at Big 10 or most D1 schools are completely different. The goal is to take you to your highest level with your God given talents. The dream for many is to become a professional athlete.
@5xap+1a90jrBJ IDK I can concur that bad attitude and entitlement lead to less than stellar LL6 performance
Attributes that lead to low performance
- child or relative of a Ford LL*
- Ivy League education, particularly MBA and liberal arts degrees
- wealthy or spoiled - never had to work in middle school, high school or college, never had consequences to the outcome of their work.
- bully
- narcissist
- manipulative (two faced)
- lazy
Attributes that lead to high performance
- had to work in middle school, high school or college
- parents have blue collar jobs/own their own business
- oldest son/ oldest daughter (required to care for younger siblings)
- had to take care of plants/animals (farmers, ranchers children)
- technical degree with practical applications ( not managerial tracks of those degrees)
- played team sports and do not brag about glory days
- humility
- tenacity
The proportion of good to bad LL6 has steadily decreased.
Many LL6 think they are great, but are part of the problem.
However there are many bad GSRs as well.
Post ID: @5xap+1a90jrBJ
Interesting perspective. Most of my interactions with LL6's over the years has been positive: people really trying to do the best for the company and their people. My perspective is the issue is more at the higher leadership levels, as it becomes much more political and it's more about the story than the truth. Of course, I am an LL6 with greater than 10 years of experience, so I guess I am the problem.
As I was explained off cuffs by a HR rep. LL6's are chosen mainly from FCG's pool. Those FCG's were closely monitored by PDC 5 council. All of them are highly technical and well rounded in Ford's business. LL5/4 gets to choose who is the chosen FCG to be promoted to LL6. One important factor in promotion is not only how much the FCG has done for Ford but also if there is chemistry between the LL5/4 and the FCG looking for a promotion. After more less 2008 Ford started to bring FCG from outside Michigan Uni's (mainly Big 10) and it was a game changer since the FCG from GMI, MSU, UofM, Larry Tech, etc. started to realize that Big 10 is a sports conference but at undergraduate level FCG's from Oregon, Utah, Florida, Kentucky, etc, had more heart to do their best for Ford. It is well know that FCG's from Big 10 Univ's have no work ethic and they feel entitled to a quick promotion just because they are FCG's from a Big 10 Univ. Those who complain about LL6's performance, check from which Univ the LL6 graduated and in 80% of the cases bad / lazy / incompetent LL6's graduated either from UofM of MSU. Ford would improve office moral by demoting most of LL6's with more than 10 years as spvr's. Those individuals no longer do their best and don't care since they know that they won't be promoted. Ford's weakness is in their LL6's group, those with more than 10 years and many rotations mean that they are no experts in their position and just take advantage of their subordinates' job in order to have a chance for promotion. LL6 to be promoted need to have a good sponsor that wants the spvr to move up. It is well know that those in the LDP program remember those who help them to do their job and when they become VP they start pulling for their Friends. Ford would do better if it follows the scrip of the movie Logan's run when LL6's after reaching 10 years are eliminated / demoted. In the movie those reaching 30 years are vaporized.
Post ID: @2wuy+1a90jrBJ
The end result of the psychopathic ("absence of empathy and the blunting of other affective states") corporate behavior is that corporations that are amoral.
My original statement.
"Corporations are artificial creation" of humans to "maximize profit through all available legal means".
corporations are psychopathic by nature and many psychopathic people rise up in their structures
you can go to google which is one of the most psychopathic of the corps and research the corporation as psychopath phenomena
For profit corporations have always been amoral, driven only by profits.
When corporation take a stand or are bullied into a particular political position, it is a calculated risk by the corporation that it will benefit the bottom line. Nothing more.
@2ssb Remember when US corporations used to care about product that consumers valued and would pay top dollar for? And not try to act like political activist groups in the woke race to nowhere? Pepperidge Farms remembers. LOL
HR , the new executive branch with their corporate fascist allies, plus the recent FCG grads from the likes of Stanford and Vassar can tell you that Western Civilization is a racist and white supremacist construct
http://pages.vassar.edu/pharos/2019/01/25/western-civilization-means-classics-and-white-supremacy/
There have been many casualties at the hands of the neo marxist revolution underway and there will be many more.
Let's chant together with the woke HR peeps "hey hey ho ho, Western Civ has got to go, hey hey ho ho Western Civ has got to go".... all to be replaced with the woke utopia they dream of
http://pages.vassar.edu/pharos/2019/01/25/western-civilization-means-classics-and-white-supremacy/
Post ID: @1nhv+1a90jrBJ
Sounds like your describing "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.
Good Book! :)
This has been going on for years, however in the last 20 years it ballooned. I attribute it to a couple of societal issues: 1. People in their younger years are being raised less with some sort of standard/ ethic/ values/ ethos, whatever you may call it. So when they enter the workforce they hold no standard of their own and just adopt whatever is the norm (right or wrong). When I started Ford in the 2000s, I would say 80% of my FCG class never held a real job prior to starting (Either wrapped up in sports, NHS, etc. anything to get into a top tier school [not going any further with that one because I could make a whole thread on how jacked the higher education system is]). They had no concept of what a start time meant, and literally had to learn it. Entitled SOBs to say the least, especially the ones from Stanford. 2. Don't care what your belief system is, or whether you have one, but it was the foundation of Western civilization. As people distance themselves away from the concept of eternal punishment for wrong doing (or distort the meaning of right and wrong) society will be shaken to its knees. Think it's bad now, it's only going to get worse. The egomaniac narcissists will literally destroy everything and replace it with nothing or something nefarious. Good people's only option will be to withdraw from society and watch the world burn. This is a runaway train; there is no way to stop it. There will be many traditions and institutions that are casualties of this new world order. It is inevitable.
Every company has a unique corporate culture. Conform and you might be successful, if you don't you will be one of the worker bee's. That is true for every social situation in the world, every level of education, political parties, military, family.....the list goes on.
If you can't tolerate the situation, find another culture in which you can succeed.
Exactly. Basically we go to grade school to get ready for Junior High school, to get ready for High School, to get ready for college.. then on to college and then we go back to Junior High School like at Ford, to get ready to retire and die.
Two reasons
Managers hire and promote people who are just like themselves. How do you think they got their position? Spend anytime talking with them and you quickly learn it was not based on their skills, knowledge or business acumen.
Managers collect people to build empires to get their next promotion. To a manager it is better to have 100 ineffective workers doing rote meaningless work, than to have 5 highly effective engineers who do quality work and figure out how to streamline and automate all the work.
The manager with 100 ineffective workers will get promoted, the manager of 5 engineers will get terminated.
At Ford the sad truth is that people can make a career of doing nothing of value.
The executives are the epitome of getting compensated for bringing nothing of value to the company.
I used to ask the same thing until I realized that the bad players is what they wanted as it aligns with who our leaders really are about.