Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Rinse repeat etc

i had not checked this forum in forever. I left Cisco in 2017, but close friends (a very quickly diminishing number) worked there, so I still hear about their angst. How a high tech company culture can have turned into what Cisco is today is bizarre... and saddening.

The institutionalization of layoffs as a new normal for what now is what, 8 years, is a parallel universe in the world of best practices to keep or attract the best and brightest. face it - they left the ship, and they ain't joining. people can tell and smell a slow, painful and orchestrated semi-shutdown. the quarterly layoff practice is unparalleled, and the cultural denial about its obnoxious reality and effect on morale is just... bipolar? bizarre?

When a company no longer makes any innovative market bets, and simply survives by architecting number through self-destruction... you know you're witnessing a future case study in business su----e. when Chuck writes a book, it should be the anti-Andy Grove book... instead of "Only the Paranoid Survive" is should be "Only the Bipolar Steer Towards Certain Death While Pretending To Be Doing Great"... bleeding talent, only attracting failed execs as a last desperate career step... mismanaging every open opportunity (Webex totally had the edge before it was condemned to operate under on-prem hardware-centric UC etc etc) and allowing internal politics to eff up stuff (why collaborate and integrate? i'd rather compete and beat the id--t BU working in my periphery!).

What an amazingly toxic culture, top to bottom, left to right.

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Post ID: @OP+1aODLvDv

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Left in 2010 feeling very bruised.

Two roles since at companies that felt like late 90's Cisco. Whirlwinds of great technology with new markets to create, and way more $$ than ever saw at Cisco

So glad I got "the package" :)

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Post ID: @2pmv+1aODLvDv

recycling "stories", loading up on PMs, and getting rid of "real" engineers......

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Post ID: @2sdu+1aODLvDv

Cisco continues to pretend that it innovates. Anyone in the tech industry knows it's a completely false narrative so the only new blood coming into Cisco are the young & inexperienced and those fortunate enough to be vesting their acquisition stock.

Chuck and the Board don't see any issues with this. They continue to print money due to the business customers that just buy Cisco networking gear. The regular layoffs clear out the highly paid/highly competent employees which ensures innovation is just a buzzword but also ensures Cisco costs are relatively low.

This will continue until the annuity delivered by business customers to Cisco is lost or Cisco's costs can't be contained. If you're just looking to collect a check while being a small cog in the big machine, Cisco is an OK place for you. If you want to accomplish something, not so much.

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Post ID: @2zzi+1aODLvDv

"When you get rid of good talent every quarter the talent is gone and you won’t attract top outside candidates because smart people read the news and do their research."

Maybe because Cisco hasn't attracted good talent in 10 years? Not many talented people are fighting to work at a legacy network equipment company.

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Post ID: @1uti+1aODLvDv

Three words - very poor leadership

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Post ID: @1eyt+1aODLvDv

When you get rid of good talent every quarter the talent is gone and you won’t attract top outside candidates because smart people read the news and do their research. You end up with a heap of mediocre salty people. Cisco did this to themselves and only they are to blame. I left in 2018 and it was the best thing I could’ve done. I’m happy and out of the toxic bipolar cycle that I had been on for 10 years. It wasn’t worth it looking back. I stayed too long and those are years I can’t get back. My advice is take care of you first the company is always looking out for its best interest you have to do the same.

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Post ID: @1kjw+1aODLvDv

It is harsh. But it does hit home some.

We have made some good bets. We have proven the doomsayers that claimed we would be dead by 2015 wrong. But while we did not die, we are hurting.

If I hear the word "re-engineering" or "right-sizing" one more time - How many times have we used those, only to do it all over again in the exact same place a year later?

I hope you are wrong about the title for Chuck's management book, by the way.

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