Another post from a few days ago got me thinking about this. Years ago, if AT&T offered me a promotion with a stipulation that I'd have to move, I'd accept without thinking. Today, I'd have to think about it long and hard. Upping my entire life and moving with my family when layoffs are happening quarterly? I'm not sure how high a raise would have to be with the new job to take that chance.
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If one is truly stupid enough to uproot themselves and their family and move because T asked them to, then they deserve whatever happens to them once they get their pink slip three months later.
not a chance. I've seen too many examples of people following the carrot only to be passed over or surplussed a year or two later. Do not trust anything you're told
Relo plan A to somewhere I want to go; otherwise, nope.
Relocated twice with the company as L2 and L3. Would not recommend relocating unless you specifically wanted to be in the new locale. Zero trust in any kind of loyalty from the company.
The idea has never crossed my mind, unless this is to start at a new company and its part of the hiring package.
Ask Alapati if he regrets moving from ATL to Dallas. He did progress through the ranks but it seems they git rid of him.
We really don't need so many 1osers and svckers voting. They really shouldn't be voting. There has to be way to keep those people from showing up to vote.
"Word is the whole Att corporate outfit is moving to Georgia.
Tejas seceding and all."
I am sure Texas is very happy with that move. We don't need att telling we the people how to run our elections.
Ha! Reminds me of when my Boss called me one da, and asked if I'd be open to relocating (at my expense) to Houston (which was NOT in a Collaboration Zone) to be nearer to the rest of my team. I didn't even need to think about it - answer was "No, I'm not interested." I got asked if I needed to talk with my Spouse, or needed to think about it. Nope, you can tell our VP thanks but I'm not interested.
Funny how I was 'on the list' and separated the next round of cuts. Thus ended 22 years of loyal service. All because I'm not an id–t.
Don't do it!
One of my colleagues moved to Dallas on the promise of a promotion
2019 my Area Manager took the MVO. They named this colleague his interim replacement. Three months lster they officially gave him the Area Manager title.
Then a year later they reorganized and brought in another area manager from the merged org.
They demoted this colleague!
Don't trust T unless you want to be scr3wed over!
Why don't you take a trip out there and see if you want to move out there? Check out the real estate close by. Invest in a home close to new work location. Look at the local job opportunities in case the job at the new location doesn't work out. If you have kids, check out what the schools are like. It may actually work out. But if it is a crummy deal, just tell them you will still move - but better scramble and look for a new job. When push comes to shove and company is telling you to move immediately, just decline because of you have to look after a family member who suddenly got sick or a new job opportunity came unexpectedly, etc.
The one time they actually got rid of a few "higher" ups and announced it, I looked them up in web phone mainly to understand what organization they were from. Amazing how many had phone numbers not from the traditional ones in their area. All moved for the company and I immediately thought how stupid they were.
These were all ones who thought they were going to get ahead at the company and bent over backwards for them. And guess what got stuck in.
No way, not at this point in time with the company under the cloud of massive debt. After they tally up the number of people gone at 12/31 due to the retirement benefits fiasco, you can be certain there will be more layoffs! Six to nine thousand leaving this year isn’t enough, they need to scale the headcount down even more and will. Why move to save your job here today when tomorrow it might be gone over there!
@dpd+1abfLTNl - you will see their choice in the next layoff. piss away your 20 years and your ego
@yre -
"There are no safety nets in the company today"
I guess that's my point for not moving unless you really want to. Your moving does not guarantee you a safety net in any what whatsoever. They have nothing invested in you and your being moving from Chicago to Atlanta (or whatever) doesn't make you any less disposable.
So I still say, I wouldn't make an upfront investment in moving myself for the company if I'm just as disposable as before.
Word is the whole Att corporate outfit is moving to Georgia.
Tejas seceding and all.
no relo? no go
There are too many much, much better companies to work for rather than cause so much upheaval in your life, unless of course, you have 25 years and think it'll make a difference.
Hell no
I’ve moved 5 times since 2004, all because of surpluses and never voluntary. It’s definitely getting old.
"Just realize that by not having the flexibility to relocate, you will be severely limited on promotional opportunities"
Many of us who say no to moving absolutely know this. There's a lot more to quality of life than a title or promotion.
I've been all over the country, including AK and HI, there are only a few other areas I'd be interested in moving, and none are AT&T hub locations. In my experience, life in the Atlanta area is not that much different from much of the southeast, and the Dallas metroplex isn't that much different from other former SBC SW states.
Those that live in say, the Rockies, the Pacific NW, or the Northeast and New England have a far different lifestyle than Dallas or Atlanta. Not knocking the two main hub areas, I'm just saying not everyone wants to move there after spending half or more of our life somewhere else.
I wouldn’t move for T, not a chance.
I did relo twice for another company, I was younger, wife was on board and kids were really young. Reasonable expenses were covered, uhaul transport and family fly in. I was no executive and didn’t get the white glove service, with promotion and moving expenses covered, they were fair deals.
I wouldn’t move now, career advancement and money are laughable. Dallas, Atlanta, and CA are on the no-go list. If layoff is the only option, I’ll collect the severance and be on my merry way.
If you’ve not been paying attention..news flash.... companies today no longer seek out employees who desire a 20-30 year stint. Those days are long gone. The average tenure is 5-7 years. Therefore, if the opportunity is big enough and you’re in a position to relocate, it would be wise to take it. There are no safety nets with corporations today. A hot area of the business today may not be so hot in 3 years. That’s simply how it is. The key is to be flexible, perhaps take risk to relocate and enhance your professional skills regularly—including educational. Companies like ATT will require a smaller workforce with a higher level of skills. They are well on their way to achieving that goal. These are just the facts.
I did, but At the time it was also better for my personal situation with an aging parent.
No.
Is PIP a permanent part of your personnel file? Does if affect your chances for promotion?
I was put on a PIP 3 months after I wouldn't move. They found a local candidate and needed to get me off the payroll.
It all relates to your level of leverage with the company.
When Mr. Stink relocated to California, he not only got full relo but a 10% bonus/gross-up to cover his hardship of having to pay California income tax. (Yes, really.) On the other hand, a front-line employee is likely to get zero.
Oh and if the boss asked me if I'd do it, the answer is always "YES". Shows the correct attitude. Once the company makes a specific offer, you can always decline always that specific offer for whatever reason.
I've moved 3 times:
10 years, surplus, relocation pay (job marked s—ed, was worth the move).
Another 10 years, surplus, JOG with relocation pay (wish I took the layoff, I would have been recalled).
3 years, took an open job to get me almost home.
The first move was to a place a liked, the second was to a place I didn't. Since I've made it to MR75, will only move again if its somewhere I would like to retire.
I've seen too many people uproot their families for a job change only to see that job go away after a couple of years. Unless you're director level or above, it'd be a mistake.
In this chaotic phase of the demise of a once great company you would have to be demented to move for them. They are likely to toss you out the door in months as "business conditions change". You don't disrupt you life and the lives of your family for bad faith promises.
If your looking to advance, you will have to move around. Earning your strips and one big loyalty test to see how committed you are.
File under: Things a heterosexual Caucasian male no longer has to worry about.
I've moved to different states twice now in the last 15 years with the company for promotions. If you have the flexibility to get up and move then do it, if not, then stay where you are. Just realize that by not having the flexibility to relocate, you will be severely limited on promotional opportunities unless you currently already work in one of the large hub/collaboration zones (Atlanta, Dallas, etc.). Playing car dealership salesman games with HR and hiring managers rarely works out. You will simply be passed over and another candidate will acquire the position. Also, those lucrative relocation packages of the past are all but gone now unless you are a Director (or L3 IC) level employee.
I've been asked this question every other year for 15 years, and my answer remains "only if relocation is paid".
So, I remain in place. ;^)
My boss had this discussion with me last month. I've been a top performer (according to A&D ratings) for about 20 years and they are claiming to do succession planning. They asked if the time came, if I'd move to Dallas for the next promotion.
I said that I few moving as an upfront investment that the company is asking me to make in it. It takes years to get back that investment - in money, lost ties, getting the kids set up at new schools and pulling them away from their friends, and other things (if your spouse also has to find a new job, for example).
I went on to say that yes, I absolutely would consider it, if the company offered a contract to show that it was equally invested in me. She laughed and said, I don't think we could do that. I knew this, as I'm not executive level, but I wanted to put the onus back on the company. I replied, oh, ok, well, if the company changes its mind, let me know.
It was a good way to say, of course I'm interested in expanding my career, not limiting my options, not putting myself into an awkward position...but showing my chain of command that it takes an equal commitment from the company. They are now in a position of making the choice.