What is there to hide?
29 replies (most recent on top)
From The Washington Post 5/26/21 -
Resistance to vaccine mandates is building. A powerful network is helping.
A New York firm has filed suit or sent letters to employers in several states as part of an effort spearheaded by one of the largest anti-vaccination groups in the country. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/26/vaccine-mandate-litigation-siri-glimstad-ican/
Honeywell might have a problem with those green lanyards.
From the EEOC website:
- 4. Is information about an employee’s COVID-19 vaccination confidential medical information under the ADA? (5/28/21)
Yes. The ADA requires an employer to maintain the confidentiality of employee medical information, such as documentation or other confirmation of COVID-19 vaccination. This ADA confidentiality requirement applies regardless of where the employee gets the vaccination. Although the EEO laws themselves do not prevent employers from requiring employees to bring in documentation or other confirmation of vaccination, this information, like all medical information, must be kept confidential and stored separately from the employee’s personnel files under the ADA. https://www.eeoc.gov/wysk/what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-ada-rehabilitation-act-and-other-eeo-laws
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-employers-require-eeoc/
Employers can require the Covid vaccine for continued employment.
@1aaa+1b38CaID Right there with you! I refuse to get the shot. I had covid and don’t need the shot. I fully expect a class action and can’t wait to join!
I refuse to let give Honeywell open access to my medical records (you’re a fool if you think it will end at vaccination records) and I refuse to be treated as lesser than because I won’t.
On this Memorial Day weekend beware the groupthink stolen valor poster below. Actually, the anthrax shot was approved in the early 70s, but was not yet proven effective for anthrax that may be inhaled. That said, it was controversial due to a high instance of side effects.
Also, I have several members of my family in the military, police, and healthcare & none of them are taking the experimental, emergency-use only jab. For good reason, upwards of 60% of military, healthcare providers, and even CDC/NIH critical-thinkers also refused the jab.
If you are health compromised, a hypochondriac, or just a lemming, go ahead and exercise your right to take the jab, continue to wear a mask, and socially distance for a virus that is 98% survivable -- just leave the rest of us the h*ll alone...
I've been vaxed and am going to wear a mask. I've always socially distanced anyway. Back me into a corner and your gonna get hit. I'll take half a year pay to go find another job.
To the immunocompromised folks, of whom I am one...
I'm assuming that you are basing your decision not to vax on your doctor's recommendation. It depends on the type of immune dysfunction you have whether or not the vaccine is advisable. For me, the Moderna and Pfizer shots are supposed to be safe from the standpoint of not containing any live or whole dead virus. The downside is that the vaccine may not reach full effectiveness since the full immune system is not present.
I got the Pfizer vaccine and had little problem with it (mainly sores in my mouth), though my spouse, with an intact immune system, got flulike symptoms for several days.
There are certain medications that supposedly interfere with the vaccine, so I just urge you to be as informed as possible, and follow your doctor's advice.
So hypocritical, hire a chief of I&D and then proceed to segregate people by color band. As a person with autoimmune issues I can't get the vaccine and I know those with green lanyard will think we're id--ts for not getting the shot
No vax or mask for me. If it becomes an issue, I am prepared to retire. Was hoping to make it to the end of the year in order to get the 401k match that is held hostage to ensure employee loyalty, but if everything becomes unreasonable, I will exit most expeditiously. 33 yrs is long enough.
You know if you really want to be a maverick and make a statement about this and you have already been vaccinated, then wear your mask anyway and don't wear the green lanyard. You can prove you were vaccinated if you truly had to, and what can they do to you? Honestly, I am done with the masks. I have been vaccinated and it either works or it does not. I choose to believe it does and I am good with my decision.
This is HoneyHell's stealth version of the infamous Vaccine Passport, which is illegal in my state. Looking forward to joining the class action lawsuit against mandatory, emergency-use only, discrimination!
IMHO it’s a dangerous and divisive policy – very likely coming from straight from DC. Remember the recent POTUS threat - “those who don’t take the vaccine will pay the price”. I am surprised and disappointed Honeywell would adopt this - not at all conducive to a respectful & harmonious working environment I wouldn’t think.
I think the very existence of a special department for I&D is divisive and frankly threatening to me.
Those people should be returned to normal jobs and should work this task from inside the teams not from some office in the diversity capital of America.. North Carolina.
@cjq+1b38CaID Yes, there are also immuno compromised people who CAN get the vaccine but perhaps because of a medication they take for their condition it is not yet known if or how well they may be protected. So you can get a green lanyard, but still wear a mask for your safety and you’re kind of advertising to folks you’re “special”. And you still have to keep folks away from you.
HON new I&D motto: We don't discriminate based on skin color but we love to discriminate based on badge color!!
It is my opinion that HON's Inclusion and Diversity Dept is being rendered impotent otherwise I&D would have spoken to say that there are clearly divisive actions being taken by further segregating employees into groups or classes. The discrimination has already begun. This will affect how HON employees interact now and in the future. It will affect the Co bottom line!
Immune compromised people who cannot take the vaccine will now be permanently shamed into wearing a mask and covering their face
Asking an employee to wear badge proving vaccination status at workplace is not illegal. It will be illegal if there is a penalty for employee that chooses to remove a mask without the green badge. Hoping HON gets sued
Mixing Vaccinated and none is asking for trouble, when you see some how people wear a mask you have to wonder… and if your building is like mine, lot of offshore contractors coming over possibly bringing variants in
I would anonymously voice your opinion through Co. channels. This is not inclusive...it's divisive. Where's I&D on this issue? It should be all or nothing. Equal treatment.
Most people are dependent on “the system”. That means Uncle Sam, Uncle Microsoft, Uncle DOD, and Even Uncle Honeywell. If you’re not independently wealthy then you are dependent on the system. Working at Honeywell means you’re not in control of your own life. This is grownup thinking. Now do the grown up thing and take your medicine or leave.
I will gladly disclose my vaccination status to avoid wearing a mask and I will feel perfectly safe at work since I have been vaccinated.
vaccine mandates already exist everywhere. Attendance at public school is already predicated on this in most jurisdictions. Health care workers, first responders, and military all have vaccines as a job requirement. Yea that includes experimental vaccines like the anthrax shot they put in my arm as I boarded a plane for the gulf war.
CEO likes to mandate butts in chairs but gets all PC when it comes to really providing a safe workplace.
Either mandate usage or don’t mandate it and tell people it is work at your own risk sign this waiver. Don’t make believe.
@ylz+1b38CaID
You have no idea what HIPAA is. It only applies to health care providers, insurance companies, and their third party agents. You really should read something before thinking you are any sort of educated expert. IT DOES NOT APPLY TO EMPLOYERS, EMPLOYEES OR PRIVATE COMPANIES. It even says as much within the documentation.
The problem with the new policy, which includes color coded lanyards identifying who has been vaccinated and who hasn't, is teetering on a violation of HIPAA. Under HIPAA, you can voluntarily authorize a release of information to a family member, guardian, or close personal friend. The likely company legal argument is that you are voluntarily disclosing the information. However, a color coded lanyard advises everyone of your medical/vaccination decision. While you can choose to not disclose the information and wear a mask, you could be ostracized by co-workers who think you haven't gotten a vaccine, and you would be treated differently (discrimination) than your co-workers who aren't wearing a mask and are wearing the "proper" lanyard. That would be a likely legal argument against the new policy. It should be an all or none policy, as a number of companies/stores are doing now - all employees are required to wear a mask, vaccinated or not. They could charge you more for medical insurance next year, as they do with biometrics, but the argument here is that your co-workers don't know whether you've disclosed your biometrics or not - unlike the vaccine/mask/lanyard policy. They likely have the right to dismiss employees if they make the vaccination a condition of employment (think WFH debacle) in a right to work state, however that could bring bad publicity and a loss of up to half of the US employees. Honeywell is on a slippery slope on this one, and a call to a local ALCU office could bring an interesting result.
OP: I would guess the post was removed because you included the option of falsifying a vaccination record to get around the mask requirement.
HoneyHell has officially adopted mask shaming as an acceptable form of societal control and harassment. Natural immunity will not be accepted. You haven't seen anything yet and the worst is yet to come...
Conform or be cast out!
I think Honeywell objected to the legal tactic that was posted .. It went like … company sets precedent that they have obligation to protect health of employees. So now why just this health COVID threat? What about all the others going forward now that societal norm has changed. Whole definition of prudent action has to change. Billion dollar idea.
I'm sick and tired of mask and vaccination threads. They ALWAYS turn into a political, filled-with-misinformation mess where people are insulting each other while adding nothing constructive to the discussion. All of that is against this site's rules, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that might be the reason why it was deleted.